The new Vivekananda is coming to America!
The second coming of Vivekananda as a pretendian, Shilpi, Nakal Baul Women is coming to America, with a new gimmick for fundraising a jackpot, collecting people with inauthentic ties to Baul?
She and her partner Sri Sri know that the younger generation does not understand the language, authentic stories, or the poaching twisting history of indigenous Baul. If Bengali's do not remember anymore, how can anybody else? The single biggest threat to the indigenous authentic history of Baul is misinformation coming from disinformation on social media, through people who do not even know what questions to ask, questions are important because without the questions, we have blind devotion and we all know that blind devotion leads to fanaticism and the cult mind virus.
Without this ancestral indigenous lineage of Baul the Gosia Chand Das Baul and Das aka Nabani Das Khyapa Baul, (Baul Samrat) Purna Das Baul and Krishnendu Das Baul aka Babu Kishan no one in India or Worldwide would know anything about Baul. Baul would not have become popular. without this lineage.
So who are these new waana be Bauls riding on the coattails of this one and only lineage of Baul,and why are they making up fake Lineages and Fake Baul Guru's, using the intellectual property from this lineage? We have over 60 years of proof going back to the 12th century and from the beginning of the Vaishnava story in Birbhum W Bengal when the Pandava's of the Mahabharata hide out there over 5000 years ago.
If Bengali's do not remember anymore, how can anybody else? The single biggest threat to the indigenous authentic history of Baul is misinformation coming from disinformation on social media fake fame from fake, fraudsters, pretendian, nakal, SHILPI Baul actors who do not know the nuances, context, or historical true stories.
They are name dropping the stories of that were lived by this lineage only without permission or adhikara trying to create a patchwork of the claiming of this lineages history, acting through nefarious pretending means that has led to an indigenous fraud via the theft of the indigenous intellectual property of this lineage.
This matters, because of the correct preservation of this lineage, not a watered down, reduced version through poaching the ancestral bones of this one and only lineage of Vaishnava Sahajiya Tantric Baul of born from Ekachakra, Birbhum W Bengal India the ground of Baul and the Baul ancestors. The Bauls did seva (self-less service) to the villages of Birbhum. No villagers, no Baul.
This has gone on for too long since the 2nd wave of refugees from East Pakistan today known as Bangladesh in the early 1970's when Hindu refugee's flooded the streets of Calcutta because of the 1971 war between India and East Pakistan since partition in 1947 when the first wave of refugees came to Calcutta. These people heard Purna Das Baul on the radio as his music was played 24/7 and they copied the songs and sang Baul songs to survive begging to survive, these Bauls were called the "fake it til you make it' Bauls titled a 'fake it til you make it Baul' someone who lived it.
However, the poaching from this time onward has become viral, when middle class people are looking for fame without indigenous rights, there is no more a need for this 'fake it til you make it Baul' it now has gone past the point of survival to the point of indigenous Fraud. This one and only lineage of Baul were completely marginalized and drowned out by the nakal fake Bauls. It is time to reclaim indigenous Baul and bring it home, to bring back the ancestral voice of what authentic Baul is. The using of Baul by fake pretendian Bauls it at the point of being washed away by false narratives watering down and reductionism of this lineage and it has intensified to insidious levels since the pandemic.
The Nakal shilpi fake Bauls with fake Baul Gurus and fake lineages are hoping nobody cares, or that we are all brain dead, that nobody knows anything anymore and nobody is watching. This is their biggest mistake because they will be called out openly now, after calling a over 90 year old Pandit Padma Shree, Purna Das Baul as shilpi Baul. Time is up?
Sorry this viral manipulation of the already lived stories that are already part of Baul history is done. This will be the starting point of a rigorous, meticulous, diligent, conscientious, stringent exegesis or in the Indian context a Purva Paksha exegesis, of the copying of the historical truths one by one and remaking where this lineage has gone as firsts and lasts in authentic Baul history, of this one and only lineage. Carrying around pictures of your so-called Gurus is not going to help anymore. Accurate details matter now, more than ever especially when dealing with the intellectual indigenous property theft of this lineage.
Sorry this viral manipulation of the already lived stories as part of Baul history. This will be the starting point of a rigorous, meticulous, diligent, conscientious, stringent exegesis or in the Indian context a Purva Paksha of the copying of the historical truths of this one and only lineage.
The new book is ready for release, and will explain more of why, who, what, when and how of this one and only lineage and the pathetic attempt to pretend and talk credit for this lineages legacy, and indigenous ancestral history.
This lineage has nothing to do with what is going on today, this lineage has been poached. We get many people reading this blog, many are coming here to learn about Baul. To be absolutely clear nothing on this blog, not even the explanations of what Baul means belongs to any of these shilpi nakal Bauls who are using Baul today.
Everything in this blog is copyrighted name dropping is unacceptable. We are here only for the preservation of this one and only lineage of which Babu Kishan has preserved for over 60 years. This blog does not relate to any fake nakal Bauls traveling the circuit today, fundraising to preserve Baul or fundraising to create ashrams through donations. They do not have a right to poach from this lineage either, they are not Baul whether you think they are or not, they will be called out in a big way very soon. It doesn't matter how mush they have already used Baul. They are using this lineage and have no claim to the stories, names, songs, history or what this lineage already accomplished and is tied to Baul through their lived lives, Trying to remake the wheel of Baul is a deep no no and will be called out publicly. It is unacceptable and is utterly pathetic what has and is going on.
Reclaiming the indigenous intellectual property of this lineage, which includes Gaudiya Vaishnava and Baul, Tantra and Baul, the linkages of these only come from this lineage.
Today what is being claimed as Baul, is not the fake, nakal, pretendian actor, so called self-title Baul Masters, story to tell, because they are fake and have no association with this lineage, read on and you will see why? There is no such thing as a Baul master, never ever.
So when you read anything on this blog or from our websites, it has nothing to do with the nakal fake pretendian shilpi Bauls of the past or present, they follow and used everything from this lineage, this lineage does not follow them, I have been watching this poaching over the past 20 years. There is significant proof of intellectual indigenous property theft of this lineages songs, style, dance, names, where they have gone and what they have accomplished as firsts and lasts in Baul.
Context, historical authenticity and nuances matters. The legitimate Oral Tradition of the Vaishnava Sahajiya Tantric Bauls matter, oral Sanskrit from birth, this is of great significance.
There is too much reductionism, over simplification, watering down of Baul and the intellectual property of this lineage thrown out there as one liners, so that fake Bauls can include themselves. They are remaking the connections of this lived historical Baul lineage that are already Baul history. Presenting themselves as if they are the first Baul to attend the Ramakrisha Mission for 12 years and pretending they have done the work and the association this lineage has had of fundraising for the Ramakrishna Mission over decades. No Baul has ever been associated with the Ramakrishna Mission except Krishnendu Das Baul aka Babu Kishan and his lineage.
The fakes are taking Baul from a refined lineage making the stories generic and random a generification of who and what authentic lineage Bauls is and was?
The cherry picking of the legacy, songs, stories, style ect... of this already lived historical lineage must stop. The nakal Bauls have 'cherry picked' the best of everything from this lineage, taken this lineages names off, or called the over 90 year old Purna Das Baul as shilpi Baul, this is indigenous Fraud.
The path of intellectual dishonesty is the path of damaged fruit, genetically modifying or engineering authentic fruit, kills the seeds of authentic original indigenous fruit creating a false fruit that kills the indigenous legacy seeds of that fruit for short term gain by destroying, watering down, the reductionism of the essence of that fruit forever. In this instance this lineage is original "Rasa Lila Mystic' Vaishnava Sahajiya Bauls of Birbhum who are wind-catchers (Vayu Tula) as only revealed by Babu Kishan has and is being cherry picked.
The rare path of the Baul Avadhuta, there are no more Baul Avadhuta, Nabani Das Khyapa Baul was the last Baul Avadhuta and only this lineage holds the ancestral keys at to what that truly is. Yet, this legacy is poached even today by shilpi nakal fake Bauls who it can be proved do not have a leg to stand on! Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das Baul is the only Baul to preserve the history of Baul over the past more than 60 years as he has lived it and part of this history, his legacy, songs are being stolen.
Babu Kishan aka Krishendu Das has been given the job to preserve his ancestral lineage as a matter of the time we live in for the preservation of this for over 60 years and now of Grandpa 'Boro Baba' status with 2 boys, Baul is always ancestral even Nabani Das Khyapa Baul the last Avadhuta Baul had a family, he may not of been there all the time, but this is the way of the Baul and they adopt children too. This however, does not count if there is no adhikara and a long lineage of ancestors behind the adopted children who usually do not claim they are Baul. His indigenous ancestral history from his initiating Guru and his teaching Bau Guru's:
All born in Birbhum W Bengal India
Nabani Das Khyapa Baul
Brajabala Dasi
Purna Das Baul
Radharani Dasi
Gopal Das Baul
Laxshman Das Baul
Babu Kishan knew all the pretendian Bauls too and the people who knew all of his ancestors the Gosia Das Baul and Dasi Bauls. He knows who is a fake Baul and who is not.
The Rasa of the original fruit is replaced by fake remade fruit, the original indigenous people die and this is where they make their lies hoping no one will notice. Wrong, we see everything you do, and it is documented in files, good luck with that. The cat is out of the bag your reduction-ism and, watering down of Baul will be revealed and expanded over time. Time is up and the disappearing the rasa of Baul is over.
The original authentic indigenous legacy the 'legacy seeds' from the soul and soil of Birbhum, Bengal and India of Baul history dried up. Washed away from our memory, replaced by fake and false narratives. This is the biggest symptom of Kali Yuga memory loss, and a replacement of 'what is real is seen as fake' and 'what is fake is seen as real.'
https://lineagebaul.blogspot.com/2025/02/indigenous-identity-theft-indigenous.html
https://indiafolkheritageofbengal.weebly.com/cultural-misappropriation.html
This is the dilemma of our time and place in history, regrading indigenous Baul over the past decades it that of false stereotypes created by false narratives and now false associations recently created on youtube video's that never existed with the people name dropping this lineages associations that are one offs in Baul history?
It is time to reclaim the 'essence of Baul the Rasa of Baul' authentic Baul history, the ancestral indigenous essence of Baul lived, preserved and owned by this one and only lineage that all Baul singers, shilpi actor Bauls and fraudster Bauls have used and some even abused. Their name dropping is astounding?
The path of desperation has led to astaya, lies, untruths, intellectual indigenous Fraud and intellectual indigenous property theft of this lineages stories, songs, dance, already lived history, where they went and what they already accomplished as firsts and last in Baul history.
Baul and its history is very complex and should not be reduced to name dropping by those who did not live its history or those whose ancestors did not give up their lives for documented 13 generations and way before so that some random middle class generic copycat can come along telling false narratives destroy who and what is Baul?
Nakal fake Bauls who are reworking the already lived history of this lineage while touching on each aspect of this lineages connections recreating videos that use this lineages lived connections making false associations today right here and now as if they are the ones.
You could assume their name dropping or one time visits and tours of these historical Baul stories that is actually them who lived the lives of Nabani Das Khyapa Baul, Pandit (Padma Shri) Baul Samarat Purna Das Baul and Krishnendu Das Baul aka Babu Kishan's lives? This is why it is of the utmost importance in correcting and reclaiming the indigenous ancestral truthful history and her-story of Baul before it the truth is twisted beyond repair.
No one with out the necessary adhikara of inner Baul wisdom regrading Baul aka The Vaishnava Sahajiya Tantric Bauls could possibly understand the context, nuances, and historical value of not watering this lineages history down, after all how would anybody know anything about the cultural anthem of W Bengal created by this lineage only and copied by all the pretendian actor nakal Baul. We are not talking about the villagers who perform Baul songs, we are talking about something way more sinister, the blatant intellectual indigenous property theft of this lineage, duping people.
Bauls are indigenous ancestral people, and have kept all the inner wisdom of this lineage secret for a good reason, however, since Babu Kishan started this blog, he has given out this lineages history and it has been copied and reworked, names taken off and represented as if some fake Bauls are the ones.
The authority or mastery of a Baul Guru only comes from within this one and only lineage of Baul who are the ones who introduced Baul to India and the world, it does not come from outside copycat, non-indigenous Bauls who have poached this indigenous ancestral lineage.
Their lifes work, songs, kirtans, style, dance, dress everywhere they have gone, and what they have already accomplished is part of Baul history has been poached, these are outer aspects of Baul. This lineages names are usually taken off until the last little while when R Robham the south Indian partner of Parvathy B a few years back made a video using several stories, only ever told by Babu Kishan insinuating he knew the stories, the stories have only ever been told by Babu Kishan they were stolen from our blogs and websites, we didn't say anything at the time, but decided to watch.
The straw that broke the camels back is recently he made and infomercial video telling how great they are promoting his partner as the next coming of Vivekananda to the West. The video was carefully orchestrated including name dropping of this lineages history, and the topper was he called Baul Samarat Purna Das Baul a shilpi Baul.
The gloves are off folks, the truth of who this is the beginning of the telling of who these Nakal Bauls with fake a fake Baul lineage and fake Baul Guru will be exposed.
When Rodham now aka Sri Sri? said, that Purna Das Baul was a shilpi Baul. Big mistake, lie and wrong, because of that and the continual poaching of this lineages already lived stories this was written.
The inner Baul is secret, this lineage shall keep secret the narratives, context and nuances secret and if we let it out and it is repeated we will call it out. These random out of the blue fakes have used Baul for far too long. The inner essence and inner practices secret, exactly because what is going on today and over the past 2 decades.
This is important, because there are way too many imposter nakal Bauls, some just do their songs which is fine, but stealing the history and remaking this lineage history as you are the one, well let's say the truth shall be revealed.
* Their Baul Guru is not a Baul Guru as held as Sri Sri Holi God man by this nakal Baul and her partner. It is a story that artificially expanded over time, now is way out of hand, and continued for too long before anybody called them out, or qualified them through questioning them, Babu Kishan has a formulas to tell who is a real Baul and who is not, he knows the questions to ask. You have to know the questions to qualify if they person knows the truth of what they are talking about. Perhaps that is why Babu Kishan has been underground and only teaching people he can trust before all is revealed. Baul does not collect people and always must be a truth-talker.
This is absolutely necessary, you have to know the question or you will get duped today and that is exactly what these people are hoping for, they are hoping you will be swept away by appearance, by the Baul dance that only comes from Nabani Das Khyapa Baul, we have proof it is part of this lineage legacy but appropriated by this women with a great tail of a Baul Guru who was not even a Baul, the story is to follow. Especially, because of the phenom of social media fake fame and now the threat of all the false narratives being jammed in AI artificial intelligence including all the false narratives academic scholars have created as speculations of indigenous Baul.
Krishnendu Das is the only indigenous ancestral Baul who has ties to Ramakrishna. he is the only Baul who was a MONK in the Ramakrishna Mission for 12 years full time 24/7 as an indigenous ancestral Baul this is Baul history and the only Baul history, he knew all the older Maharajas and swamji's who know Ramakrishan and who knew Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and Purna Das Baul. This is first and last Baul history. Babu Kishan owns the stories of the connection between Baul and Ramakrishna. Besides that Nabani Das Khyapa Baul is the only Baul who met Vivekananda.
His Krishnendu Das (Keshto) aka Babu Kishan fundraised with his family Purna Das Baul and Manju Das for decades in Calcutta Bengal, and worldwide in the name of Baul for the Ramakrishna. His Grandfather Nabani Das Khyapa was the only Baul to meet Vivekananda.
The only link between Baul and Ramakrisna is through this indigenous ancestral lineage.
Regarding Gaudiya Vashnavism and Baul only this lineage is linked to through their ancestry which is Sri Nityananda of Ekachakra Birbhum W Bengal. This lineage is the only Gosia Chand 'acidananda' gotra the same name ofter used for Nita or Nityananda of Ekachakra Birbhum W Bengal India. They are linked eternally through their ancestry and from 13 generations back, this is their story to tell it belong to them. They are the only lineage of Gosai Chand (Chandra) as in Purna Chandra Das Baul. Why does Babu Kishan know who the poets are when "that women" says Bauls don't care who the poets are.
The picture is Pandit Purna Das Baul, aka the Baul Samrat fundraising for Gaudiya Vaishnava.
I'll tell you why because this fake Women Baul is busy poaching the songs and kirtans off this lineage, she covers it up because she does not know, uses generalizations and name dropps, steals the songs and Nabani Das Khyapa Baul style of dance but exaggerates it into an attraction great for picture taking.
"That Women" is busy stealing every drop of intellectual indigenous property from this lineage re-making as random, generic acting it out of part of ulterior motive of now bring Baul to the West, twisting the story. When Baul has been here since 1967 and not just a singers or folk singers but on all levels.
Babu Kishan has been teacher of Baul, Indian Philosophy, Baul Tantra, Vaishnava Sahajiya Baul, Sanskrit, and Indian Music for over since the 1970's inside of India and outside of India because he is an indigenous Baul who trained and actually did the work and qualified himself in every level of each of these subjects over 60 years at the highest levels in Universities around the world since the 1970's. He has not bragged about it or advertised about it. As soon as I wrote about anything, it is reworked as if she actually did exactly that, claiming Babu Kishan's Baul history without doing the work, without attending the Ramakrishna Mission, without attending University. Babu Kishan has been teaching Baul at Universities because he put in the work to actually attend a University he has a BA and MA.
This lineage of course has proof and again this one and only lineage of Baul has been respected and fundraised for the Gaudiya Vaishnava in Bengal for over a hundred years, and world wide since the 1950's through Baul Samrat Purna Das Baul who is Babu Kishan's father.
There is not only a history this lineage of Vaishnava Sahajiya Baul Gosai Chand and 'Gaudiya Vaishnavism and Baul', this is the only lineage who of Baul who has association with Gaudiya Vaishnavism and for a long time. My goodness the young people and podcasters need to be educated because they are being led down a garden path of fakery. This lineage has many strong links, for generations back to the original history, only regarding this lineage, not a generalized Baul with a fake lineage who poaches everything from this lineage. It is time the truth is told and all is brought out into the light. This will be revealed in Babu Kishan's 4th book.
By the way 'acidananda' was a nickname of sri Nityananda of Ekachkara. Nabani Das khyapa Baul and Pandit Padma Shri- Purna Das Baul were both born in Ekachakra Birbhum along with their ancestors going back in time and are indigenous to the land. 'Acidananda' as their gotra goes a long way back even way before the 14th century as this lineages Gotra.
The same with Tara Ma of Tarapith the only Baul originally associated with Tara Maa and this temple and Kankali Tala shakti peeths was Nabani Das Khyapa Baul since the 1800's more on this later.
The nakal random Bauls are trying to claim this history too, Baul and Tantra was brought out only By Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and later Babu Kishan. The fake Baul started to hang outside this temple only because of Nabani Das Khyapa Bauls association.
Anybody can go there it is open to all, however, when it comes to Baul and Tarapith or Tara Ma the only association is through Nabani Das Khyapa Baul who was initiated by Bhama Kepa. No other Bauls did sadhana in the burning grounds, Babu Kishan was the next Baul associated with Tarapith as Nabani Das Khyapa Baul brought him there as a premature baby with crooked limbs to heal and ask Ma to save his life.
Babu Kishan later was on the board of the temple of Tarapith. He never talked about this til recently and as soon as I wrote about, this association and linkage of Baul was appropriated? I mean if it is just one thing, but when they have stolen a very popular Baul kirtan written by Nabani Das Khyapa Baul right off Babu Kishan's youtube channel you have to start to wonder, what is going on here? What exactly is going on?
"Srimatham: Mīmāṃsa: The Study of Hindu Exegesis
1) Adhikāra (अधिकार) refers to “injunction of qualification ”. It is one of the four classifications of vidhi (injunciton).—Adhikāra-vidhi is an injunction which determines which person has a right to undertake the activity or be involved in some stage of the process.
2) Adhikāra (अधिकार) refers to “one’s suitability” and is one of the six factors through which positive ethical precepts (regarding Dharma) are conditioned. The discerning student is required to distinguish between grades of vidhi or to compare their levels of authority or applicability. The primary distinction is derived from their motivation and goals, thus producing the concepts of puruṣārtha and kratvārtha.
Mīmāṃsā (school of philosophy)
Source: Srimatham: Mīmāṃsa: The Study of Hindu Exegesis
Vidhi (विधि, “injunction”) refers to “precepts” or “injunctions” and is one of the five divisions of subject-matter of the Vedic, Puranic and Tantric literature according to Mīmāṃsā philosophy.—A vidhi is a statement that induces one to act. All actions (karma), according to Mīmāṃsa are said to have two effects: one external, manifest and gross (dṛṣṭārtha); the other internal, potential and subtle (adṛṣṭārtha). The internal aspect is regarded as being long-lasting, while the external effect is transitory.
The inducement to act consists of three parts—What? Through what? & How? These three aspects of the vidhi are technically known as:—
- Utpatti-vidhi—Primary Injunction to perform a action,
- Viniyoga-vidhi—Injunction of Application,
- Prayoga-vidhi—Injunction of Employment,
The variable is the:—
- Adhikāra-vidhi—Injunction of Qualification.
There are another 3 sub-vidhis:—
- Apūrva-vidhi—Original injunction,
- Niyama-vidhi—Restrictive injunction,
- Parisaṅkhya-vidhi—Preclusive injunction.
The Injunctions (vidhi) constitute Dharma and are therefore the essence of the śabda Revelation."
Adhikara what gives a nakal Baul a linkage, there must be a link on what one talks about or becomes, it is not just making up stories based on what this lineage has already accomplished such as Baul and Ramakrishna it can't be my mommy a non-baul liked Ramakrishna or my daddy a non-indigenous Baul liked Ramakrishna. Anybody can talk, like, make up associations with Ramakrishna, however, in this instance there is a strong link between Ramakrishna $& Baul firsts and last in Baul history? Why would anyone want to make fake links? You have to ask yourself this and now the same with Gaudiya Vaishnavism and Baul very strong links between this lineage already established since the 14 and 15th century, so why would anybody outside this already history try to make a new link between fake Baul and Gaudiya Vaishnavism. This is very tricky and sutble.
The same with Gaudiya Vaishnavism & Baul it can't just be a random link and the link must be between 'indigenous Vaishnava Sahajiya Baul from Ekachakra Birbhum W Bengal a very specific ancestral link especially when talking about Baul and Gaudiaya Vaishnavism. When talking about Baul and anything there must be some indigenous preferably ancestral link.
Today people do not remember or know, this is of the utmost importance.
First of all one must qualify whether the Guru said to be is a Baul, is a Baul and we have first hand 100% proof he/she was not a Baul.
Baul is an indigenous subject and in that we must look into what are the laws and rules of an indigenous people set forth by the United Nations rules on indigenous people and self-identification and indigenous fraud. I know this sounds insane but what is more insane is indigenous fraud regarding Baul. A Baul lineage can not be constructed based on a one lifetime Vaishnava poet. It is not based on a Ghoshia that nobody knows who that is and the story was for 3 days then expanded to 3 years? No it does not work that ways, one lie leads to another, to another, to another and it does not stop there. Not all Gosia are Baul either. Baul has specific nuances never released to the public for a good reason.
https://lineagebaul.blogspot.com/2025/02/indigenous-identity-theft-indigenous.html
https://indiafolkheritageofbengal.weebly.com/cultural-misappropriation.html
I wasn't going to write 'Copyright' on this post, because they poach it anyhow and drop stories about Nabani Das Khyapa Baul that only Babu Kishan has revealed on our blogs and websites? Everything has already been poached, will the poaching ever stop, probably not? This comes down to character and motive.
Character Matters, not just acted 'faking holier than thou', but true yogic character, of non-stealing, satya telling the truth, both the very important first steps on claiming or representing any indigenous Sanatan Dharma tradition.
These pretendian Bauls have started to use every association this has already lived as part of full and final in Baul history and visiting, talking about everything associated with this lineage, trying to create an image that this lineage has already achieved as indigenous people.
Now acting like they are bringing true Bhakti Yoga and Kirtan to America, authentic Baul Tantra to the west, not True, Baul in every aspect has already been in the west since 1967 and not just as Music as they so negatively tried to project.
Baul has been in Europe, and America first introduced by this lineage worldwide, Babu Kishan knows he created the platform for indigenous Bauls since the 1970's there is a deep history and her-story already of teaching Vaishnava Baul worldwide. Since the 1950's and in America in 1967 and no it was not just to sing?
Trying to downplay all the work by denigrating Baul Samrat Pandit Purna Das Baul by calling his a shilpi Baul? The audacity is astounding and will be called out loudly, we are just getting started, this is primer for these 2 fake pretendian NAKAL Bauls.
Now out of the blue they are representatives of 'Baul and Tantra'? "Baul and Gaudiya Vaishnavism", (Bhakti Yoga and Kirtan) whose associations only belong to this one and only lineage or Baul sampradaya, the Gosia Chand Das Baul and Dasi lineage of Ekachakra Birbhum W Bengal.
There is no other lineage or sampradaya, it is a lie to say there are 20,000 Bauls left in Birbhum. Absolutely their Guru is not a Baul Guru and now I am pushed to tell you exactly why, the short version, yes it looks like a long version, it actually is a whole book and historical and it will be told. You can only push the limit of cultural misappropriation so long until you pushed too far.
Seriously you can not make any of this up?
While they have poached, and stolen the intellectual indigenous property of this lineage, songs, Kirtans, dress, style of dance and instruments, even the lived lives of this lineage while taking their names off and claiming their already lived history? They have gone and touching on everything that is a first and last of Baul history already lived and completed by this lineage. This lineages names taken off or one liners Purna Das Baul is a shilipi Baul? Who the hell do they seriously think they are, they have duped many already.
It is important to understand the difference between fake humility and authentic humility, between who is actor and who is the indigenous ancestral Baul, not only that you must understand why it is important. Fake humility involves pretending acting to be humble, but they have strong ulterior motives such as attention seeking and collecting people. Fake humility is used to manipulate others and these Nakal Bauls are so good at their shtick 'a gimmick', as actors.
This is the critique of Parvathy B (not) a real Baul but a 'Nakal Baul' and her partner R Rodham who loves to be glorified as Sri Sri now?
Babu Kishan has made it very clear to me he has no interest in hearing anything about them, or listening to what they are saying. He can't listen to someone who does not really know anything about regarding Baul. He just can't hear the stupidity. In today's world we are more enlightened about indigenous intellectual property theft and fake Guru's over the past 30 at the very least this has been the topic of documentaries in the west where people have been seriously damaged and looted by fake Gurus's Yogis, Tantrics and yes Bhakti Yogis.
Baul history and her-story are at an extreme sensitive point in time and most people in Bengal already would say there are no more Bauls. That is somewhat true, and the last thing Baul needs is a saviour of Baul as a 'nakal fake Baul' further twisting narratives, and abusing the history of Baul to fit into their collection of people. It is spin, spin, spin, just like politics today, spin, spin, spin of the intellectual property of this 'one and only lineage', the lineage who brought Baul to all of India and worldwide, through the teaching of Baul and as official recognized Cultural representatives of India throughout India and worldwide since the 1920's first through Nabani Das Khyapa Baul, then Purna Das Baul and then Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das Baul who taught India and the world about Baul.
Baul at this sensitive point in time, as all ancient indigenous people are under threat of too much reductionism, poaching and the watering down of traditions their ancestors gave up there lives for, life after life preserving Baul so we have a drop of indigenous Baul today. I never in the honour and respect for my husband allow these facts to continue on with their bull shit of fakery while stealing my husbands life's work over 60 years of preserving Vaishnava Sahajiya Tantric Baul. This lineage is under threat from outside forces, pretending to be Baul those are Baul actors who call themselves Baul Masters there is and never was any so called self titled name as Baul Master, there is only Baul Guru.
The real Shilpi ( a derogatory term) for Baul actors, fake Bauls, Baul artists and Baul Masters, fake Bauls from fake Baul lineages with fake Baul Guru's.
The videos presented by these 2 fake nakal Baul artists, actors or shilpi Baul is reductionism at its best, the watering down of Baul, they have not a clue as to the rare secret nuances of Baul.
They have been copying and stealing the intellectual property of this lineage for decades, along with their self-titled 'Guru Sanatan Das Baul' it can be proven and Babu Kishan knew him, he said, he had no energy, he did not have the essence of a Baul, when you try to murder someone absolutely you can not even use the name Baul and so the story goes on, when you want to fake something you need a prop and a story.
With this recent photo of Pandit (Padma Shri) Purna Das Baul and calling him a Shilpi Baul, time is up? This is just the beginning of telling the truth, we will not stop.
We have given hints of the indigenous intellectual theft of this indigenous lineage, songs, dance, style, the remaking and representing of everywhere they have gone and everything this lineage has done in Baul history as a lived history. Now your names will be mentioned as know one in the west truly knows how fake you are.
Babu Kishan says everybody knows who they are? I honestly do not think they do? I do not believe so, there is a whole new generation of young people being mislead down this cultish path of fakery. These young peoples time is precious and they are being lied to.
As an elder person of Grandma status I have had a keen interest in Cult Watch and the mind virus of Cults since the early 1970's, I can no longer let this go unqualified. This article is a long one, it could be a whole book as I have documented this phenom regarding Baul for 20 years.
Go on making false narratives that show your lack of nuance regarding Baul because this is just the beginning, all will be exposed and I have enough material to prove who they are.
Parvathy is so out of tune, it hurts Babu Kishan's ears, the ear drums of oral Sanskrit-ist, a inborn successful award winning Music Composer since he was 11 years old. By the way Babu Kishan recorded the tunes for many of the Baul songs, that were later stolen and re-recorded, this is not a free for all for every random person who decides being a Baul is a good thing to do. Baul is for everyone, however, there is a correct way, there is a formula, not copying and pasting and acting it out. The intellectual property of this lineage and many of Babu Kishan's own lyrics including of course Baul Avadhuta, Nabani Das Baul lyrics.
Babu Kishan composed music and recorded over 80% of his father Purna Das Baul music, the music all nakal pretendian Bauls have stolen. If you steal it or have taken it you will be called out. Baul music is for everyone, it is one thing to have a passion for Baul music and re-record this lineages songs, it is another to start a cult in the name of this lineage, when you have no connection to anybody from this lineage and then call them names and make subtle comments that are not true, while advertising yourself, it stinks of ulterior motives and social media fake fame?
Babu Kisha can tell he has worked in Indian Cinema for 40 years and is a Indian Music Composer he knew all the actresses, he knows the game not just the actor game, but the fake Guru Game of how the cult of Maa and Baba business are started and starts with a good act and lies. Babu Kishan is adept at face reading, he can see right through who is a good actor and who is not, who is truly humble and who is faking it. He can take one look and see who is who, and he has been doing this since the 1970's the only problem is he always has mercy for people even people those who steal his life work and have tried to murder his father Purna Das Baul.
He says "that women" is 100% (not) a Baul and has always said, oh well let it go everybody knows. No way, I am not letting this one go, it has been let go for too long, and has to be exposed, with no mercy.
I am from the west, I have been practicing yoga since the 1970's I have seen it all, I have seen the damage and abuse by people who have come from India, and the ignorance of the westerners regarding Yoga, Bhakti Yoga, Kirtan, and especially Tantra.
The 2 nakal shilpi Bauls or fake Baul and her partner are not humble but, are desperately acting humble.,They blatantly disregard Baul history twisting it to their narrative as a tourists, with a little bit of knowledge and this lineages intellectual property, songs, styles and what they have been and what they have done they craft a narrative based on a false Guru and fake Baul lineage claiming there are so many more? When the people that know, know they are lying. Well now the truth will come out, take it or leave it and when Babu Kishan gets started asking his questions, oh well lets see how it goes, will they run or can they take the heat.
The murder attempt on Baul Samrat Purna Das Baul.
The Poisoning of Baul Samrat (Padma Shri) Pandit Purna Das Baul, the son of Nabani Das Khyapa Baul. In all of Baul history Purna Das Baul is the most famous Baul singer, in his day they did not internet let alone 'social media fake fame'. He is an indigenous Baul born in Ekachakra Birbhum W Bengal during in 1930's and into his (90's) recognized by many Presidents of India and highly celebrated Cultural history of India.
This murder attempt the poisoning happened during the Joy Dev Mela in the 1970's and the culprit was Sanatan Das Baul aka Sri Sri blah blah blah just a poor man who suffered due to partition and needed a way to survive, it is not that there is not compassion there, but this propaganda that is being pushed today by his student shows is a perfect example of how a Guru effect the results of a student and how important it is better not to have a Guru than to have a fake Guru.
Through Nabani Das Khyapa Baul, his eldest son Purna Das Baul, and Purna's eldest son raised by Nabani until Nabani's passing in 1969 Krishnendu Das Baul aka Babu Kishan who without no one in this world would know anything about Baul.
Back to the murder attempt on Purna Das Bauls life by a jealous, the pretendian Baul who copied our songs, kirtans, style, dance and instruments and even where they went. This is the perfect of example of how one becomes who their Guru is, how it is important to know the questions to ask and not accept anything that anybody says regarding fake Guru's. Know the questions to ask, do your research.
Purna Das Baul had to have a huge amount of security, he drew crowds in the millions not because he was a shilpi Baul? Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and then Purna Das Baul were always until the poisoning,the main attraction, the reason why Bauls and Gosia showed up. Sad, disturbing by absolutely true. They were the only reason over the past century that the Joy Dev Mela in Kenduli Birbhum remained popular and their ancestors since the temple started in the 12th century have kept the temple and memory of Joy Dev alive as they are the only Vaishnava Sahajiya Bauls? Not Sanatan Das Baul he is not from there, his ancestors were not Baul, they may have been something else, but he only started Baul by watching Nabani Das Baul and copying everything from Purna Das Baul.
You can not make this up and why would you. It is a stain on Baul history. Parvathy should be ashamed of herself furthering this toxic time. I guess it is really true the shishya will be like the Guru, one has to be careful who you chose as Guru because associations are repeated. This story had to come to light, it is an important story in telling the truth of how random people copied Baul and have and are still today stealing the intellectual indigenous legacy of this lineage.
Today their legacy, lendary stories, history, their intellectual property is under threat by fakes who have no shame in poaching their lived lives, stories songs, where they have done decades of Sadhana and the only Baul ever to be associated with Tarapith, KanKali Tala, Rabindranath Tagore, Ramakrishna Mission, Vivekananada, on and on and the west teaching Baul in the west since the 1970's. The problem is not that this lineage brought Baul outside of India and to North America in every aspect including music the problem is the fake Bauls that followed them, lying to people telling them they are Baul when they were not.
This lineage taught every aspect of Baul in Cultural programs worldwide since the 1950's not just music, but Baul in every sense. Om Goodness the audacity to try to claim their Baul history by making up a shadow history, based on lies and all their associations they saying the problem with Baul is they only ever presenting the musical part, this is a bold faced lie.
The nerve to call Purna Das Baul a shilpi Baul, pushed me over the limit, I can not sit here and just take these lies anymore.
This lineage has been stolen, reworked and presented as a new fake lineage of fakery and lies, with this lineages names taken off or name dropped and replaced by a fake lineage or lineages with fake Baul Gurus installed?
Truth Talk, a Satya (truth) even rebel radical truth that goes against social media fame is what Baul is, truth is revealed, for the sake of the indigenous ancestral history of correct preservation of Baul, free from false narratives to collect, dupe, funding of financial jackpots, donation through false narratives and fake Bauls.
This is where the story of Purna Das Baul and how jealousy is dangerous and getting him out of the way by poisoning was the thing that almost ended his life. Purna Das Baul was so famous millions of people came to hear him sing. This story is part of Baul history, and gets sad and very dangerous because of jealousy. There is a pattern repeating itself here, it may not be death through poisoning, but death of an ancient indigenous ancestry historical lineage stories being poached. Through lies and fakery, and the cultural theft of this one and only lineages legacy, indigenous intellectual property, the intellectual wisdoms they have preserved for more that 13 generations and Babu Kishan has preserved his whole life of more that 60 years?
'Sanatan Das Baul' felt much malice towards Purna Das Baul that he orchestrated an attempted to murder of Purna Das Baul by poisoning him. Yes, the same late Sanatan Das Baul who is celebrated as Sri Sri and is used by social media fake famed Parvathy B?
Sanatan Das Baul almost succeeded killing Purna Das Baul by poisoning him at the poet Monohar Kepa ashram the police were involved and Sanatan Das Baul was arrested as the culprit. This was horrible, can you imagine trying to survive a vicious poisoning murder attempt? The police were in involved at a very high level, and they charged Sanatan Das Baul with murder, they were not happy police and they put him in jail.
After a long deliberation, Manju Das the wife of Purna Das Baul had a change of heart and convinced the police to let Santan Das Baul go. Sanatan Das Baul was the culprit. Sanatan Das Baul (who is not a real Baul) but a self-titled Baul, Manju decided it would cause damage to his wife and kids and didn't press charges, she knew he was very poor and copied Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and her husband Purna Das Baul but felt it would do not good if he was jailed for attempted murder. I would say that is very generous.
The same Manju Das who is the first Women Baul to travel the world, but yet has had her legacy twisted when Parvathy Baul claimed her position in Baul history as the first Women Baul to travel the outside of India? No sorry, that is not true or accurate, Manju Das (Pandit Purna Das Baul's) wife is the first Baul to travel the world and sing on the biggest stages of the world since the 1960's?
It seems very odd how at all costs Parvathy B has been using the intellectual property of this lineage, yet, in the past has taken their names off the stories claiming everything this lineage has already completed as full and final Baul history. Does anybody actual do research, the answer is no, people today are swayed by emotion, charm, the jata gimmick, smiley people with no essence or nuances of Baul. This is indigenous fraud, perfect example as Guru like student?
Until this past video by Rodham's who is "that Women's" partner speaking about Baul cherry picked from this lineage and this blog, telling stories only Babu Kishan has told?
He uses a picture of Purna Das Baul in the video Baul and Tantra, but calls him a shilpi Baul, wow the arrogance and audacity.
He slides into his fake mish-mashed false narratives of trying to attract people, collect people and funds for their fake lineage previously saying (come and join us) when Baul does not collect people. He has the audacity to call Purna Das Baul a shilpi Baul which is sort of a slang towards any Baul.
When no one would even know about Baul without Purna Das Baul and the work he have done teaching Baul worldwide, why do you think Baul became to popular and the focus of Academic Scholars worldwide, and book writers worldwide, it is only because of Purna Das Baul, he is Baul Samarat the name given to him by a President of India and all the Bauls. Before him his father Nabani Das Khyapa Baul?
Note: Purna Das Baul is now in his 90's and unable to defend himself, this is more disturbing than anything, this has awakened and angered my husband who is Purna Das Baul's eldest son.
Purna Das Baul had to stop attending the 'Joy Dev Mela' because of this murder attempt by Sanatan Das Baul and the threat to his life, after that he was given huge security, because he was a celebrated Cultural icon of India who sang at the opening of Indira Gandhi Speeches and Rajiv Gandhi's speeches.
Nabani Das Khyapa Baul as part of the Freedom Movement was recruited by Nehru to sing before his speeches, and Nabani Das Khyapa Baul (a strong Tantric and last Baul Avadhut) had pulling power, he sang at the inauguration of Indian in 1947.
Yet, this uneducated student now Sri Sri feels he has the right to poach stories directly of this blog or our websites and call Purna Das Baul so flipant and arrogant as if he is an authority on Baul who is not a Baul and just a newcomer to Bengal he is from South India, what a joke and a fake acting as a scholar of Baul? More than anything the is cherry picking Baul, picking the bones off this indigenous lineage, to climb the fake Guru latter to America, we don't need anymore fake Guru's there has been enough, you are destroying Baul history?
You talk about Tarapith and Kankali Tali shakti peeth when Nabani Das Khyapa Baul was the only authentic Baul Guru who actually has done real Baul sadhana and was associated with these Shakti peeth as a Baul Avadhut? Because, I have written about this on this blog and on my website which you have looted.
Shilipi is a street artist, a wandering minstrel of a lower class or caste.
Bauls are against caste and creed, and here is a paradox, just because they reject caste, does not mean they are not from one, in fact this lineage only is they were Pandits, who followed Radha & Krishna, Shakti & Shiva, Brahma & Saraswati in the footsteps of Dattatreya and Aanagha Ma and Radha and Krishna Sahaja. If you ever see this poached, it has only come from here through Babu Kishan, he has said released this and now if other use this after saying forever, Baul is Buddhist Sahaja, it is cultural appropriation. It will be pointed out, I am on a viral watch.This lineage is indigenous Pandits, oral Sanskritist with manuscripts who could recite the Mahabharat and Ramayan through story-telling. They are the original Vaishnava Sahajiya of Birbhum W Bengal, India.
The goal of Babu Kishan's new book is to teach you how to ask the questions on what is a real Baul and what is not. If you don't know the questions to ask, you will never know who is real and who is not. Part of knowing is understanding the real history and her-story of Baul so that you are armed with the 'Yoga of Baul' and ready to not be duped.
It is important to understand the difference between fake humility, and authentic humility. Who is acting and who is authentic. Fake humility involves pretending acting to be humble, but they have strong ulterior motives such as attention seeking, fake fame covered in an act of humility, which is used to manipulate others, self-promotion or to achieve a specific goal, it could be to be a in the lucrative Mega Guru business, I have seen she is hanging with some very controversial Gurus in the lucrative Baba and Ma business?
Fake humility is often driven by self interest it is very subtle. This is why it is important to learn the questions to ask, and some principles of Purva Paksha, debate in the India philosophic systems of exegesis (a pulling a part and laying bare). Unfortunately long years of research are a must and the average person does not have the time, everybody wants quick results, making them blind to cults, this has been proven over decades of cults in North America. We don't need another Osho in the west, that went terribly wrong and Babu Kishan is the only Baul who knew and did work for Osho, so don't make me or other people stupid by acting like you knew Osho as some others have in Bengal.
It takes time to make these comparisons, of not this, not that, however, there is a formula. The only way is by following and documenting learning the basics of India and developing an intellect able to discern both mentally, in the heart and in the gut, an intuition so strong based on a strong mind. Don't let anybody waste your time or money and focus.
Copying the list this lineages 'already lived' Baul history as first and lasts in their story of Baul history, but stripped of their names should raise a red flag? A Guru who tried to murder Purna Das Baul the most celebrated Baul in history, should give another pause.
What Purna Das Baul did was not regular either, and Babu Kishan has already accomplished 6 decades of research and preservation of this lineage as requested by Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and Brajabala Dasi he Baul Gurus and grandparents. He created the modern platform for the survival of indigenous Baul by indigenous ancestral Baul for indigenous Bauls, not for outsiders who came and made a mess.
Is not something a humble person does, it is what someone who is acting who has a big agenda? This type of discernment and Purva Paksha Babu Kishan has done all his life, it was a hobby that he was educated in at the highest levels. One of his mentors a Supreme Court Judge of Calcutta and Bombay would travel around with Krishnendu Das aka Babu Kishan and question, discern who was a real Guru and who was a fake Guru. They were right every time.
When talking about Baul Baul (Vayu Tula) Gosai Chandra Das Baul should never be made random, homogenous, generic, or faked as no indigenous ancestral lineage should be used by others. First of all it does not belong to a random self-titled, where adhikara or inner authority is not there to use the intellectual property of this lineage and then act out Baul, or to represent Baul.
They are teaching false narratives, while using the songs, style, dress, Kirtans, and the intellectual property of this lineage, the ones who have preserved Baul and the only reason anybody knows anything about Baul.
This looting, and poaching of this lineages indigenous intellectual property amount to indigenous Fraud and causes a reductionism and dangerous watering down, and generification: the use of Baul as an umbrella name usually for fundraising for financial jackpots, this has happened so many times since this lineage made Baul popular, they have been used and abused.
It is time for this using and abusing, acting to discontinue and for this lineage to reclaim Baul and its inner meaning, not to collect people but to teach and educate. Baul is already in the west Babu Kishan has been here for a very long time back and forth since the 1970's, he is not a devotee collector, he is not an expansion-ist, he is not into the Baba or Ma spiritual Guru business. it is pathetic what is going on regarding Baul and all the lies.
That is what he is into telling the truth and it is about time.
Generification: is the use of Baul as an umbrella name without giving the past history of Baul. How the fake Nakal pretending Baul actors drew their conclusions of self-promotion in creating titles on podcasts such as 'Baul and Tantra' and then rambling on without any authentic history of 'Baul and Tantra' like an advertising for a tour, or titles like 'Baul and Gaudiya Vashnavism' without any real connections or actual history of this connection, just another attraction to collect people an omg all the false narratives spread to these innocent young Vaishnava?
I will explain more as we move on through this article, which is long and if I can hold your attention.
Generification happens today in spiritual traditions to, it has happened to this lineage. The use of Baul as an umbrella name for every random wandering person or self-titled so-called Bauls since partition and then again in 1971. In numerous cases over the past century, the colloquial term and the way Baul has been used as a general term for just about anybody who decides they are a Baul without any adhikara or authority of even what it means to be a Baul.
The term Baul is very specific and unique, the name has been mistranslated forever abused and misused again, only because this lineage made Baul popular otherwise no one would call themselves a Baul and start a marketing career of fake narratives for the lucrative financial jackpot fundraising of Baul? This is why you have to know the history of Baul, not a generic history, but the authentic history with all the nuances never told.
The problem is how would you know who is Baul and whether what they are promoting is true, they have no adhikara in Baul. The purpose of the new book Historical Baul, is to be released soon, to teach you what the real Baul history is and her-story is, to use the names of the Bauls who lived the story. Baul does not collect people.
Not a remake by nakal Bauls who are tracing every aspect of Nabani Das Khyapa Baul, Purna Das Baul and Krishnendu Das Baul aka Babu Kishan's already lived lives and their Baul history, their style, songs, dress, instruments, kirtans, where they have gone and what they have done already as firsts and lasts in Baul?
Seriously, again I can not make this up, nor do I, but after finding all these false narratives and seeing people taken in by nakal pretendian Baul actors and I am not talking about the people in the village and the Baul singers who are singing Bauls songs in the villages, I am talking about very specific nakal fake Bauls acting out Baul.
This one and only lineage (Guru Shishya Parampara Baul Sampradaya) is not a 'Yoga Parmapara', it is a Vaishnava Shahajiya Tantric Baul sampradya of which yoga is part of called Sadhu Satsanga. Nuances are the most important part of Baul and these are not known, it will all be explained so you are not used in a pawn of fakery.
Nabani was an adept Avadhut, alchemist, he was rare and nobody can be him, you can grow jata and copy his style of dance and instruments, however, it is an insult to fake Nabani Das Khyapa Baul who an adept Yogi who could meditate under water for days.
I don't want to give it all away, but what Nabani did was not your regular self promoting fake Baul, he would not approve of how people outside of Baul have bastardized Baul.
And by the way, Baul did not go door to door at all hours of the day, another fake narrative. The true story of Baul will be in the new book to be released in 2025. This is completely misleading people.
The new phenomena of reaching into the lives of Nabani Das Khyapa Baul, Pandit Padma Shri (Purna Das Baul) and Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das Baul who have single handedly pioneered Baul throughout India and the world.
The gaul of remaking their indigenous cultural heritage, their associations, their indigenous practices, songs, style, dance, instruments, Baul kirtans, where they have gone and what they have done.
This is called indigenous identity theft, blatant orchestrated cultural appropriation, which is not just done by westerners, it is happening right now in India by Indians who are using Baul, no different from all the fake yogis, sadhu's ect today.
Regarding Baul history there is a whole list, big list of the copying of Babu Kishan's lived history, it is part of history that Babu Kishan is the first Baul to attend the Ramakrishna Mission for 12 years, Nabani met Vivekananda and this indigenous family has fundraised for the Ramakrishna Mission as part of the past 5 decades of Baul History.
This lineage is tied to Gaudiya Vaishnavism through their ancestor Nityananda of Ekachakra Birbhum their ancestors were born their, their bones are buried there. this lineage has been respected and fundraised for Gaudiya Math for in recent memory back to the 1800's. This lineage is Gosia Chand Das Baul and Dasi, there is not another Das Baul lineage, because of the popularity of this lineage their Das Baul title was copied by Baul singers.
This lineage has been a Cultural Representatives of the Indian government since Nabani Das Khyapa sang for Nehru as part of the Freedom Movement all over India and at the inauguration of India in 1947.
Regarding Baul and Tantra only Nabani Das Khyapa Baul was a Baul Avadhut who did real sadhana at Tarapith he was initiated by Bhama Kepa in the burning grounds. Regarding Kankali Tala only Nabani was a known Baul to do sadhana there, he was a regular and revived and kept the Shakti of that temple alive. The villagers titled him Khyapa Baul and Khyapa Baba. Many other self-titled Das Baul's knew about Nabani and used to hang outside the temple singing the songs of this lineage, many to attract unsuspecting fools.
Baul and Tantra is only related to this lineage and not all Bauls follow the path of Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and Babu Kishan these shakti peeths are not a tourist destination for nakal expansionist Baul actors to just use the association of this lineages lived stories, take their names off and just throw it out there as generic a cultural homogenization of the real lived stories converted to random stories of the fake Bauls.
This is insidious and a very subtle intellectual indigenous property theft, you would not even know unless someone else knew the history like Babu Kishan does because he has preserved Baul over 60 years. He lived it right along side of his Grandpa Guru and his father Purna Das Baul he is the eldest of his generation, the eldest of all the Bauls right now.
He may not wear a costume, he is unassuming, accomplished, an award winning Indian Music Composer and who has a special expertise in Baul songs, Baul Poets, Baul Kirtans and the Folk Music of India, he has recorded more Folk Music super stars and categorized the Folk Music of India for all the big record companies of India. This is of interest because he knows who is singing what and who has poached the Baul songs from his lineage.
There are so many things this lineage is a first and last at doing as part of their already lived Baul history, their association, temples, Indian cinema, and pioneering Baul outside India.
Their history has been wiped clean and claimed by nakal pretendian fake Bauls as random stories. It is important that these non-indigenous Bauls are called out, because Baul is being used and abused to agenda's and the Ma and Baba fake Guru business.
The cultural icon of India over since the 1950's legacy and Nabani Das Khyapa Baul legacy along with Brajabala Dasi, Radharani Dasi, Manju Das and at the very least 13 generations to the 14th and 15th century is either being erased, name dropped, copied, poached as a part of fake lineage. This story must be told it has gone on for too long, Sri Sri was never part of Baul.
WE LIVE IN A POST TRUTH-ERA.
The actual Bengali term that has been used for fake Bauls is Nakal Baul, a term that implies imitation, copying or faking Baul. Or Jaiyat Baul is a term that can imply, fake, artificial or pretentious.
In English charlatan a person who falsely claims to have knowledge, skills or expertise. Pretender Someone who claims to have qualities of achievements they don't actually possess.
A plagiarist is someone who passes off others' work, ideas or intellectual property as their own.
An Imposter is a person who pretends to be someone they are not or claims to have qualities they don't possess.
Fake is a person who falsely claims to have a particular identity, skill or achievement.
'Nakal Baul' creates Cultural exploitation, they are outside of Baul and pretending they are inside, they do not understand the nuances of Baul. They exploit Baul cultural practices, poems, say Baul does not care who the poets are, lyrics, tune, songs, Kirtans, dance, dress, style, instruments, their history of where have gone and what indigenous ancestral Bauls have already accomplished as a matter of the survival of their owned lineage, their Baul history full and final, all their firsts and lasts. They exploit Baul spirituality for their own gain, without proper understanding, respect, or compensation to the indigenous people they took the information from, such as stealing Babu Kishan's songs, and the songs of this lineage, and what has been written as to their lived stories is poached. This is a serious problem and perhaps they thought nobody was watching because nobody said anything for so long. Time is up, it is time to reclaim Baul, preserve Baul authentically, and bring Baul back to the indigenous inner roots!
Loss of traditional knowledge, the influx of external influences erodes traditional Baul practices, music and their cultural heritage which their ancestors gave up their lives for hundreds if not thousands of years to protect and preserve.
Cultural Homogenization, I use the term making Baul random and generic. The unique identity of the indigenous Bauls is threatened by Nakal Baul who destroys their identity by acting out Baul and knowing nothing of the nuances that make one a Baul. This disrupts, marginalizes the social fabric and dynamics that are Baul.
This is an example for others in India who are now trying to reclaim their indigenous ancestral rights and traditions. For indigenous people this is a fundamental right of all indigenous traditions, to self-determine who they are without self-titled experts and fake pretendian Baul destroying, waterdown, reducing who Baul is? There has been too much fakery going on since this lineage made Baul popular, too many talking who are not from Baul, but decided Baul was a good way to collect donations, people and fundraise for big financial jackpots to preserve Baul, when Baul has already been preserved for the past 60 years in every way by Krishnendu Das Baul aka Babu Kishan.
Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das Baul in his 4th book on Baul to be released soon. A comprehensive historical dialogue on how to ask the necessary questions so that can determine accurately for yourself, who is an authentic Baul or Guru in general, how to get past false narratives and to the truth, for you to decide, that is real freedom and self-realization, not building anything a cult of personality. Build it for yourself, not for some random fake representative of enlightenment.
Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das, has no part of this article, yes he read it, and he is angry mostly at me he does not want their name on his blog, because he says I am promoting these 2 nakal Bauls. He knows who Sanatan Das Baul was all too well, he knows all the stories. He doesn't want their names near his lineage, or associated with his name, because of the theft of his lineages songs, dance, style and the attempted murder of his father.
The rest of this research of Baul is my research (Trishula Das) over a 20 years period, because of my obsessive interest in the Cult mentality since the 1970's, and this new phenomena I will never understand the sway of social media fake fame.
Babu Kishan does not endorse "that women" in anyway, and does not give her permission to poach his songs, or the songs of this lineage and re-record them. He says an authentic Baul knows who the poets are.
A soul who follow the crowd will get no further than the crowd. Babu Kishan is an expert at Purva Paksha and knowing who is real and who in not in the Guru business, more on that later.
Babu Kishan knew her Guru, Sanatan Das Baul, and says he is not a Baul. He copied everything from his grandfather (Guru) Nabani Das Khyapa Baul who did not like Sanatan and never took initiated him, so you have to question why is she using Nabani Das Khyapa Baul style and dance why is she allowing people to call her a Baul Avadhuta when Baul Avadhuta only belonged to Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and this lineage. She is not part of this lineage, yet stealing songs from Babu Kishan's youtube and retitling the poet, oh yah she has said Baul do not care who the poets are, what a lie.
Her Guru Santana (not a Das Baul) was extremely jealous of Babu Kishan's father, 'Baul Samarat, Pandit Purna Das Baul now in his 90's. This jealousy was over the popularity of Purna Das Baul where millions of people would come out and see Purna Das Baul, he was and still is a cultural icon that I am sure most young people do not know, but their parents and grandparent knew, just ask.
The Baul songs and singing on stages was copied first from Nabani Das Khyapa Baul singing as the opening before Nehru's speeches and Purna Das Baul singing before Indira Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi along with his wife Manju Dasi and eldest son Krishnendu Das aka Babu Kishan who played the Sri Khol and always part of the act, as he arranged the act and music.
Purna Das Baul now in his 90's was the most famous India Vocalist in the 1960's as a cultural representative of the State of Bengal and India throughout India and Worldwide. They traveled and were close friends with Sitarist Pandit Ravi Shankar, Ali Akbar Khan, Zakir Husain and the whole classical music contingent who represented India outside of India. Purna Das Baul was the first famous Indian vocalist outside of India, he was always a special guest to all the major Gurus of India and PM Indira Gandhi and other Presidents and PM of India, this family was especially close to the late President of India Pranab Mukherjee in more than one way .
It is necessary to 'tell the truth' for far too long this one and only Baul lineage has been silent through all the poaching of their songs, stories, way of life, dress, dance, and musical instruments, where they go and what they have accomplished, Purna Das Baul has been silent he is inner he let his wife and eldest son do everything, Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das worked for his father as a Music Composer, composing 80% if his fathers most famous music, the Baul music copied and re-recorded by the pretendian Bauls. The intellectual theft has been ignored and after watching for 20 years and more recently it has become viral, you do what you want with this information, but it is the truth and only a critique of 2, there are many others to be critiqued also.
Disclaimer; this blog post is written, researched over 2 decades on all aspects of the one and only pioneering lineage by me Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das Baul wife that is why my last name is Das it is not a title I gave myself and Trishula is the name Babu Kishan gave me on the banks of the Ganges in Hardwar outside my Anandamayi Ma's ashram, I have been a devottee of Anandmayi Ma since the 1980's she is my Guru along with Neem Karoli Baba who I have been connected too since the 1980's. I was surprised when Krishnendu aka Babu Kishan told of his Baul families relationship with Anandamayi Ma and his own personal relationship over a long period of time, this lineage of Bauls are the only Bauls to have anything association with Anandamayi Ma or Sita Ram Omkarnath, no other Bauls knew them or associated with them. Babu Kishan calls me his 'writer fighter, probably because I am a martial artist with a sword. My name is Sandra Trishula Das I am an eternal researcher, a Vedic Astrologer, Photographer, blogger for over 50 years. I have had careers in the business world, print media, and the travel industry, I has spent decades practicing, learning, researching and experimenting with shamanism, past life regressions, hypnosis, yoga nidra, trance, mind and have been doing an avid study of Cults and mind control and because I have researched since the 1970's I can see a cult mentality in the making regarding Baul. Time to wake up and call this out their tenacles as spokes people for Baul must stop.
Pictue to be provided later.
Trishula Das outside of Anandamayi Ma's ashram, looking in at her Samadhi 2007 she was a real Saint. Today, nobody knows what a saint is they just throw it around. If someone calls you a Saint, run. Nabani Das Khyapa Baul was the last Baul Saint he left in 1969, no one now is a Baul Avadhut, what an insult to even suggest that, the ego and arrogance are astounding, the fishing and hunting for followers is a sickness masquerading as fake humility.
No I am not a Baul how can I be, how could I have the audacity to title myself as 'Baul' even after 20 years with an authentic Baul Guru who does not want to sell his inner Baul to anyone. I am not indigenous to Baul that is the first point and question. Is the person presenting themselves as a Baul even indigenous to Baul, and was their Sri Sri Baul Guru even a Baul, we know he poached this whole indigenous family, but who was his Guru and how many generations did he have behind him, this is of the utmost importance in determining who is Baul? You have to learn the questions to ask, before you understand who is a fake and who is authentic and it is not judged by dress, dread locks, personality, smile it is judged by actions, not on camera, or when in a performance because anybody can learn to do Baul dance and singing, just like anybody can learn to act.
My martial arts Sifu used to get annoyed when someone perfected some style and acted with ego, he said anybody can learn this, it is your character that counts, what are your intentions, do you steal and tell lies, this is more important than learning a technique and bragging or lying.
Once you lie, steal or cheat you karma is destroyed as your character is destroyed. Does the person acting out Baul really have the indigenous authority or inherent right to use Baul making up false narratives, you may get away with it for awhile but sooner or later your actions will catch up with you, or don't have a conscience and it just does not matter I think that is called psychopath, these type always have a smile on their face, an inauthentic smile that is acted out because they learned to do this as part of performance. No any non-indigenous person to Baul does not have a right to indigenous intellectual property according to the United Nations indigenous rights to self-determination.
I have listened 24/7 documenting, researching everything about Baul for 20 years very closely, they ruin it for all the other Bauls who are just simple performers in the village, the ones that can really sing and have talent whether Baul or not. Babu Kishan has always loved talent and was successful in developing talent in Indian Cinema for 40 years, he worked with all the actors, producers, singers, film-makers and musicians, music composers. He inner world is Baul as he is indigenous to it, his Guru is Nabani Das Khyapa Baul from birth, he can multitask, he is more Baul, he lives Baul everyday and is an energetic fire that I have never felt from anyone in the world.
He does not collect followers, he works in a mystical way healing people and doing all sorts of invisible things silently, this is Baul. He has taught Baul since he was born, silently to a group of people nobody is know about. He does not and never has shown his power. He just does what he does.
I have read and collected, all the books, academic papers, internet, advertisements, youtube videos, magazine articles, newspaper writings, as I have a great translator, although many times he has railed against me, but I am can't help it, I am an eternal search for the truth, I don't like fake people or liars and I love my husband.
Babu Kishan does not want to be associated or even have his name or his families name Purna Das Baul or Nabani Das Khyapa Baul on their videos or used by these 2 fakes, he says there is no comparison between his lineage and these hawker scammer Bauls.
This has not been easy for me to write and Babu Kishan has asked me not to use, 'that women's name on his blog. However I believe she must be called out, many like her, that is your prerogative. I believe the audience has not been educated on what is real Baul and what is not, they just believe anything they see, however, know the lineage is not a lineage, her Guru is not a Baul Guru, her dance Ektara, Baya (duggi) the drum tied around her waist and her ankle bells are Nabani Das khyapa Baul style appropriated from this lineage. They did not come from her any other source. The songs she sings are mostly copied from this lineage with no credit ever given.
As a matter of fact everything she does, everywhere she goes is directly copied from this lineage. As you read along and it is a long read I ask you to use your intellect, discrimination and understand a huge appropriation and making this lineage random and generic has been underway for a long time now. This is what has lead to the marginalization of the indigenous Bauls. This is what has watered down and reduced Baul, not folk songs and not the lack of practice. Baul has always been secret, this article gives you a hint as to why Baul was secret.
There is no association between indigenous ancestral Baul Gosia Chand and her or her man or her Guru who tried to murder Babu Kishan's father, he got away with it, because of mercy, however, you have to know this story it is part of Baul history and I am not feeling any mercy anymore, Babu Kishan well he may feel differently, however, I heard the story from him and it wasn't a pleasant poisoning.
Bengal when Babu Kishan grew up there was a spiritual giant, today it is a spiritual dwarf, because of lying, cheating and the lack of authentic sadhikas (females) or male (sadhaka's) or upasika's, regarding Baul.
Baul or Baulini, everybody today wants instant fame, to travel the world and live the life, and is fundraising for a financial jackpot through social media, they are all actors. Nothing wrong with any of this but to use and indigenous ancestral marginalized lineage to do it is a sin. 'That women has not got a clue about Baul, every video I have listened to there are some holes, many holes and generalizations, even I know more that her, that still does not make me a Baul, I will never be a Baul.
All I can say is I am a spiritual researcher. I have to laugh in 2005 I went to Europe as a tour assistant with one of Neem Karoli Baba's first American disciples to help with the kirtan tour I brought a suit case full of books to study Jyotish in our spare time. No funny business with me research, sadhana, and learning all the time. I had many deep experiences around Neem Karoli Baba for decades but they were so vivid and real at this time.
I have so many deep personal stories to tell. When I met Babu Kishan 20 years ago, I showed up with the trunk of my car full of Indian spiritual books and made him go through them all with me, he just looked at me and said these book have all of our Indian information in then, they were mostly written by westerner copied from Indian texts. From Babu Kishan I learned to hear the story and remember it and oh man if I can't remember, he will say I told you, don't ask me again.
His wisdom is coming from some other place, he is directly connected to his Guru, Nabani lives inside of him. He won't tell me again, it is a one time and then he tests me. His Guru's did not make it easy on him, it wasn't always a pleasant experience. Because of my interest, he has downloaded everything about Baul that I can understand, as a western I have my limits, but I have learned more than I ever wanted to.
There are not 20,000 Bauls in India that is the biggest lie ever told and this can be verified. No he is no Sri Sri, his title is Rodham form south Indian who only drifted to Baul in 2012 can you imagine, has already made wild claims, name dropping and has poached a story about Nabani Das Khyapa Baul that was only ever told by Babu Kishan, this is the character you are watching on videos plastered all over the internet.
The intellectual property is not up for grabs any more, the character of others has been shown, poaching is not a great character trait, it is stealing and if one is saying they are from a Yoga Parampara one should not steal the intellectual property from this lineage or anywhere.
This lineage only has been associated with Rabindranath Tagore, and their ancestor is Nityananda of Ekachakra Birbhum, you should not be using any of these names as part of your story because you are not related to this lineage and are a know intellectual property thief. Nityanada Gosia is a different lineage, it is this lineage who only kept and knew his stories and kept them alive, why do you feel so entitled to use someone else's ancestry.
Do you not have your own ancestry try using that instead of poaching everything from this lineage watering it down and destroying the nuances, that you most certainly always leave out. Who are your ancestors, what did they do, talk about that. We are not going to teach you because you are not to be trusted, just keep acting?
This lineage is Gosai Chand or Chandra Das Baul and Dasi.
There is no other lineage, if your Guru or others are using Das Baul and Dasi they have copied it from this lineage as they have copied all this lineage songs, kirtans, and Baul Bhakti and Baul Tantra, yoga.
The pretendian fake Bauls are using and abusing the intellectual property of this lineage, this has been going on for a long time. I am here to protect and clarify what no indigenous Baul has wanted to say because they are disgusted and do not want to be associated with this hucksters. They are spreading misinformation I can only think trying to dupe people into joining them?
The thing that makes Baul unique is that thy never collect people. As Rodham said on one video, come and join us?
A authentic Baul naturally attracts in a natural and spontaneous way, they never say come join us?
Baul is on its last legs, because of fakery, watering down, and reductionism by Baul actors (shilpi Bauls) 'you' and they dare to call Baul Samarat (Padma Shree) a shilpi Baul with no shame, just pure arrogance and matter of fact, well here I go. No matter how Babu Kishan feels about his father, he will always love him and he is from this lineage, he is the son of Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and knows more than you will ever know, he just doesn't teach it to people like you, he hold Baul closely as does Babu Kishan.
They are actors Pretending, they are holier than thou, oh and she is Saint, a Baul Avadhut, give me a break, character, character tells you who someone is? Baul is on its last legs, because of Parvathy B (that woman) and people like her. The very person who is now trying to fundraise to preserve Baul, when she has completely appropriated this lineage but without the essence and nuances, those she will never get, unless she poaches them from our book, it hasn't stopped her in the past. Now is the time to tell the truth, I don't care if she has a thousand likes, if you think she is authentic because she has many followers on fb, Babu Kishan always says to me in his Baul way, prostitutes have more, I know that sound crude, he says it means nothing, she can have millions of people it means nothing if you do not have character.
Time rules, but love wins. by Babu Kishan, this is his old saying.
Let everybody have their time, character will create karma and they will have to live their karma.
You have things or not the main thing is Kali Ma and Krishna/Radha are with you.
1st tenant - of Baul, Satya, tell the truth at all costs.
2nd tenant - of Baul be none stealing, that includes stealing the intellectual property of others and this lineage of ancestral indigenous Bauls, their songs, style, dance, instruments, where they go, what they have done?
' That women' who is claiming that people think Baul songs are Folk songs, lol in the past she advertised herself as a Folk Singer? At the same time that Babu Kishan was talking about folk music, because he is a expert, academically and because he has compose music for the biggest Folk Singers of Bengal and in Indian Cinema, the biggest Folk singers of India. He has categorized all the folk music of India for all the big recording companies of Bombay. He is a folk hero, but that has nothing to do with Baul. Perhaps she though oh that is a good thing to add to her repertoire, just as she has added everything else from this lineage and Babu Kishan's life.
The only thing he lived it, he was a monk in the Ramakrishna mission for 12 years 24/7 in sadhana and learning. There is a big difference in reading book and mommy and daddy were devotee's, how on earth does that association come through when you are using the ancestry of this lineage and family but that your mommy and daddy exposed you to Ramakrishna all of sudden mean you are associated with Ramakrishna.
Babu Kishan is the only Baul associated with Ramakrishna Mission that is part of this lineages Baul history, and what about Indian Cinema, and Babu Kishan's career teaching at Universities, as his wife it is so obvious, stop copying my husbands like trying to make lose associations as if you actually did the work. This really anger me and it is so obvious, get lost, stop poaching his songs. People need to know all this, they need to know your real character, not just your acting innocent act.
However, in the end he is the only expert on Baul songs and Baul kirtans, because he recorded them all and categorized them all, he worked with all the old Bauls, spiritual Gurus and folk singers across India, he is the expert on Indian music and knows who is good and who is not.
Picture to be provided at a later date
Baul is only going extinct, because of people like you (fake pretendian hunter Bauls) who steal the intellectual property of this lineage and where you can.
LOL I listened to the video 'Baul and Tantra' what a mishmash of playing authority so slanted there are no nuances about Baul Tantra and historical Baul Tantra, this is a travel info commercial a touching on every as many aspects of Bengal and as many spiritual traditions to show how qualifed this person is not. Listen I will tell you, there is authentic lived Baul history and there is fake made up trying to be this what this lineage has lived. This is what is going on with these 2 they are trying to be everything this lineage has already accomplished as lived Baul history. They do not know any of the nuances of Baul, it is an act. The gaul to say, Purna Das Baul is a shilipi Baul, is a back handed back slap, unbelievable and how dare you.
You have no right to even talk about Purna Das Baul, your so-called, self-titled Guru tried to murder Purna Das Baul. This story has to be everywhere and Babu Kishan has way more stories where that came from about your Guru. You do know that Babu Kishan knew Sanatan (Das Baul)? You can fool some of the people for a time but, you have gone over the line.
After poaching from this blog, and this lineages songs, dress and Nabani Das Khyapa Baul songs and style you are banned from using any intellectual property or songs from this lineage.
You didn't serious think what she is presenting has not been poached from this lineage did you?
The songs "that women" has already poached will have to be accounted for, because we can not allow this use anymore. We are going public to tell the truth.
Get ready that is all I can say.
Do not use Baul, because you are not a Baul and have misused Baul for a long time now.
You are using Baul to make money, you do not have any Baul essence or even know the nuances of Baul. Baul is failing, because you are stealing the intellectual property of this lineage and reworking it, watering it down, reducing the intellectual indigenous property, as an indigenous intellectual theft, and indigenous Fraud.
Baul is not failing, because this lineage brought Baul to all of India, and worldwide. You are twisting narratives without knowing the history of Baul, you take bits and pieces and have created a smear campaign against all the work of Babu Kishan, Purna Das Baul and Nabani Das Khyapa Baul have already completed as Baul history. They did not create a platform for Baul so that you could destroy it, or use for your hawker business. It is all acting.
Nobody can be as perfectly syrupy acting humbler than thought as these fakes, the comments that are left on their videos are always the same, such love and devotion.
Baul was always a bit contradictory, paradoxical, truth talking at all costs?
Today Baul is all marketing, who can tell the taller tail, and look like the authority on Baul. The fake Guru business of which Babu Kishan has watched for decades all over India, and has qualified these people, he knows the techniques to do so, the questions to ask and he will be doing this in the near future, there must be debate and someone who actually knows what is going on to speak out.
Bauls pushed the limit on reality, conservatism and on rhetoric, they never lied fake or liars and had their techniques to call them out.
Bauls were honest at all costs, they are full of metaphor, paradox, riddle, and allegory, they only associated with the top intellects and always did seva to the villagers of Birbhum.
No seva no Baul, not getting other to do seva (service) for you, getting them to touch your feet and exalt you? That is the opposite of Baul. Just a little hint when someone calls you a Saint, never believe them, there is a reason for that, either you are being tested or they want something for you, you may be good business for them. If you are any kind of tantric that is the sign to run as fast as yo can. The character of people is important.
Bauls are the greatest of intellects and philosophers, it has been watered down to the dust of garbage of false narratives by hawkers who want Sri Sri exhaled Maa and Baba status, they want to fundraise to preserve Baul when Baul has already been preserved by Krishnendu Das Baul aka Babu Kishan or 60 years.
A Baul never wants blind followers to worship them, or touch their feet demanding respect as Baba or maa which is a get rich quick scheme or fake it til you make it, while riding on the coattails of this lineage?
What is going on is pure bull shit, there is no other way to say it.
These grifters want you to be stupid, they want you think they are the saviours of Baul, going to do what Vivekananda did, that time is over. Baul has been in America almost full time since the 1960's. Baul lives her now, it is just Baul does not work that way, Baul is different from what is propogated as Baul today,
They are 100% the reason for the destruction of Baul, not folk music, not because Bauls love music, but because of the fake pretendian hawker Bauls who have sold out Baul which never belonged to them.
Baul is going extinct because of the fake pretendian hawkers who are not even Baul. They are not indigenous to Baul, they have marginalized Baul and killed Baul. Bauls are an energetic fire and now a meow, look how humble and sweet I am, meow, a giggle stupid smiley group.
Babu Kishan has been teaching at Universities around the world and doing Cultural Programs as a representative of India through ICCR and Sangeet Natak Academi since the early 1970's even today he still does cultural programs time permitting. The west does not need any more fake Guru Baba and Ma wanna be's?
It was Purna Das Baul and Laxshman Das who sang for Bhaktivendanta Prabhupada in 1967 in Central Park.
Prabhupada knew this family, he knew Babu Kishan grandfathers Nabani Das Khapa Baul and Jogesh Dash who was a professor of Sanskrit from Dhaka University. This lineage and Gaudiya Math were tied together though this lineages ancestor Nita or Nityananda of Ekachakra Birbhum We Bengal where all the ancestors of this lineages bone are. This lineage has fundraised for Gaudiya Math for hundreds of year. The Vaishnava Sahajiya Bauls of Birbhum are indigenous to the soul and soil of Birbhum. An indigenous Baul can only self-determine who is Baul.
Baul is (vayu tula) Baul was never called 'siddha acharya's' or Baul Master. Why, do you feel you can altar what Baul is?
This lineage of Baul is Gosia Chand Das Baul and Dasi and is only this lineage that of Nityanada of Ekachakra. Lineage assumes ancestral as in 13 generations going back to Nityananda of Ekachakra. Today, no other Bauls are related to this one and only lineage. Certainly not Parvathy and her Rodham.
The dis-information and cherry picking by these too is banned from this blog, or any of our material, including all the songs, which you have stolen many. She (that women) looks innocent and speaks softly but that is an act. Time is up, we have no association with them and their false narratives.
Please stop stealing the intellectual property of this lineage and making up lies.
'That women' is still teaching false teachings that there are 4 types of Baul Aul Sai Dervish Fakir? These are Islamic terms, another incorrect wrong teaching, it was copied from 'BabuKishan.com' in the early somewhere up until 2006 and later written from his old website notes in Calcutta copied and pasted by Silina who wrote Baul Philosophy copy and pasting Babu Kishan notes without his permission into the book Baul Philosophy, you know the book you copied the title of every chapter as to what you were going to teach in a workshop? That is beyond bizarre, yup I caught and documented that one.
BabuKishan.com was the firs Baul website everybody copied from it is where the fake Baul such as this one first learned about Baul, unfortunately Babu Kishan lost that website in 2006, due to the death of his webmaster Mary Johnson. There are 4 types of Baul was added incorrectly, because everybody copied everything from Babu Kishan's website at the time it spread far and wide, all Bauls copied without any discrimination'. Obviously Parvathy Baul didn't get the message, she is repeating false narrative over and over, this is not accurate? She is trying to put every wandering person from Bengal under the Baul umbrella, as she has read in books. Honestly, she changes faster than anything I have seen, or documented over 2 decades.
I think we need to put more fake implants in our Baul, this way we can identify who is copying and who is not, I think that is a good idea to sift out the grifters.
Only this lineage made Baul popular, BabuKishan's 4th book will explain accurately 'Baul history'. He has been teaching Baul all over the world since the 1967's in cultural programs, at universities, temples, yoga studio's, community halls.
They did not just sing songs and Babu Kishan who is expert in all of Indian music as a accomplished award winning Indian Music Composer knows the difference between Baul, Bhajan, Kirtan and all of the spiritual music of India, he know who can sing and who can not sing correctly, who are the Baul poets and where the music came from, who is poaching what songs. Do not play over smart with him because he knows every song you have poached, he is the only expert left.
Folk songs have no destroyed Baul, fake pretendian hawkster Baul have, people faking Baul and teaching the wrong narratives have, hmm that looks like you. Don't blame the hippies of the west, all the fake Bauls sit around like daddy cool smoking marijuana today, however, I am sure you know this because you are acting like you know everything. I wrote about this in a book, stop acting.
We understand that Baul songs and Kirtans are not Folk Songs. The Ektara foundation is about Baul songs and kirtans because that is Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu indigenous ancestral ancient Cultural Lineage.
He has preserved his lineages songs, Kirtans, practices for over 60 years, that is his legacy and his spiritual base and he is the only authority of that.
He, however, is a accomplished inborn and trained the highest level Music Composer, lyricist, Music producer and an Indian Music Composer of all of Indian Music. I waste so much time qualifying only because, today every body is a Music Composer, it seems every Baul is now a Music Composer and even has IMBD listings. Indian Cinema and Bollywood as far as Baul goes is only related to Babu Kishan his Indian Cinema name, in Bengal his birth name is Krishnendu Das Baul.
He categorized all of the Folk Music of India for the largest Music Companies of India. He has been composer music for folk singers in Bengal from age 11.
He knows the difference between Folk Music and Baul Music, he has been an expert on this matter.
I was just watching "that women's' interview on Namarasa youtube, what she is saying is completely wrong.
'Baul and Gaudiya Math' is only tied together through this indigenous lineage and their ancestors, it has nothing to do with Parvathy and her fake sampradaya.
That women looks sweet but I am an expert at reading people, 'that women is an actor', what she is saying is not accurate, this leads to reductionism and the water down of lineage ancestral Baul and the truth of these association.
The first point of Baul is to tell the truth, Satya, never lie, if you fail that, you fall, you are not a Baul. Baul is not an acting job?
There are (not) many different schools of Baul, there is only one story, one lineage, only one indigenous ancestral family who fundraised and were respected by Gaudiya Math.
This lineage was tied to Gaudiya Math, respected by Gaudiya Math and part of their ancestor are Gaudiya Math, related to Nityananda of Ekachakra, the NEW book will explain. This lineage only remained and are closely tied to Gaudiya Math for hundreds of years.
This is lineage is a one and only Vaishnava Sahajiya Tantric Baul (Vayu Tula) V is B in Bengali, thus instead of Vaul they say Baul, there are deeper teaching in this lineage or guru shishy parampara sampradaya. No non-indigenous random generic actors should fake or talk garbage 'that women' is talking like there are many of these sampradaya's there are not. That is a lie and the lies continue.
Regarding Baul there is only one lineage or guru shishya parampara sampradaya and 'that women' is not from this sampradaya or yoga parampara, her Guru was not either, he actually tried to poison Purna Das Baul to death at Monhar Kepa's ashram in Kenduli during the Joy Dev Mela in the 1970's he was jealous and copied everything from Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and Purna Das Baul.
He was to be arrested but out of compassion Babu Kishan's mother said, let him go, he is so poor, he was a cigarette seller. It is true who you associate with you become. Here we have a fake Guru who stole the intellectual property from this lineage and copied everything from this lineage and tried to kill Purna Das Baul out of jealousy and we have a so called shisya who does the exact same thing steals the intellectual property from this lineage and fakes Baul. That women' say she met her Goshai Guru and spent three days with him before he died and he gave her every song, that was before. Now (that women) is saying she spent 3 years with him?
I will never trust anything she says, I have documented everything all the things "that women" has said since 2008 she is all over the map I am not talking travel wise, she changes her stories all the time. Why, hasn't anybody qualified 'that Women' through Purva Paksha. Don't tell me that the younger generation has no intellect or discernment? Where have the Indian and Western brains gone, do you just believes anything you are told? Life today on youtube is stranger than fiction.
Anyhow, Nityananda of Ekachakra Birbhum Bengal a Vaishnava Sahajiya (not buddhist as she say) but 'Krishna Sahaja who is the biggest Sahaja ever" and 'Dattatreya Sahaja) who is trimurti Vishnu, Shiva, Brahma and was Ram's teacher.
What is wrong with people, Krishna is way older than Buddhism, this lineage has been indigenous ancestral Vaishnava way before Gaudiya Vaishnavism of the 15th century and the follow Nityananda, they love Sri Chaitanya, but follow Nityananda these stories are held in the oral tradition and will be released when the book is released later this year. We have to protect our information because of hawker Bauls? Everything, is and will be copyrighted and we will go to court if we have to, to reclaim our Baul songs and kirtans?
No random fake hawker Bauls have ever used the term or called themselves a Baul Avadhut, Nabani was the last Baul Avadhut what the heck is going on? I see 'that women' is now calling herself an Baul Avadhuta that is impossible, that is a bold-faced lie? There is no such things as a Baul Master either, you have no adhikara or right to self-determine who is Baul or what to call anything regarding you, you have stepped way over the line. Same with Rodham calling Purna Das Baul a shilpi Baul are you kidding me, what an insult, you call the Baul Samrat a shilpi and you are new to Baul? There is something here to really pay attention to, I am serious, you learn a lot when you look at peoples character and if you can face read watch these 2 they are great actors.
I know a guy who used to know me on facebook, read all my writings about Nabani Das Khyapa Baul went to see "that women' in California and called her a Baul Avadhut, did she take this serious, is this where she started to call herself a Baul Avadhut, it certainly could not be California where she first learned about marijuana, as all her brother fake Bauls sit in the Akhara smoking ganja all the time?
Insanity, this is just one of many stories and copying of intellectual property from this lineage, their songs, style, dance, dress, where they go and what they already have done as part of already lived Baul history. Wake up people dig deeper, just because someone has dread lock and acts sweet and innocent does not mean they are. Character is shown by actions, not by the telling of how respected you are and being promoted as this and that, while you are cherry picking from this blog and twisting it.
Vaishnava Sahajiya Tantric Bauls of Birbhum, Nityananda (Nitai) is a direct ancestor of only this lineage of Bauls, all the ancestors were born in Ekachakra Birbhum. 'That women' is not part of this lineage or parmpara, she has nothing to do with this lineage, and should cease and desist from pretending and using the ancestors or the songs, stories from this lineage and actually I do not appreciate you are partner trying to be my husband, trying to do whatever he has already done, going where he has gone, stealing his songs off youtube or stealing his intellectual property, you are just dust compared to his accomplishments, you have tracked every corner of his life.
This blog, there lived history and any information only pertains to this lineage which is Gosia Chand, Das Baul and Dasi. Because they made Baul famous, many random wandering people started to call themselves Das Baul and Dasi including (that women's) Guru, who is not from this lineage, but copied Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and was so jealous of Purna Das Baul and thus copied every song, Nabani style on and on. He is not a lineage Baul and I have no idea why Parvathy continues to preach she is? Oh yah, he even copied the path-work dress designed by Babu Kishan.
Baul Avadhut is very rare, anybody calling or claiming this title today is lying, how messed up is that, are you that desparate.
Nabani Das Khyapa Baul was the last Baul Avadhut he passed in 1969 of this lineage which is the only Guru Shishya Parmapara Sampradaya. Their ancestor Nityananda was a Vaishnava Sahajiya Tantric Baul Avadhut, then Kepa Chand Baul. Not all Bauls are Avadhutas, most are very devote Vaishnava who speak oral Sanskrit with manuscripts. Babu Kishan's grandmother Brajabala Dasi was a decendant of the Norottama Das line could recite the whole Bhagavad Gita in Sanskrit and tell all the stories of Mahabharat and Ramayan to Babu Kishan as she raised him til he was 8 years of age, these Vaishnava Bauls are authentically sweet, they never lie, they lived very simple lives of the sweetest sahaja innocence.
Parvathy is lying or I guess I could say cheating, claiming these titles Baul Avadhut, Baul, Baul Master and Sampradaya. She is trying to make Baul random and generic, as if everybody in Bengal was a Baul, this is not so. What the two of them are doing is insidious.
I can't give away too much here, everything she basically is saying is an act.
Did she ever fundraise for Gaudiya Math for decades, did they ever fundraise for the Ramakrishna Mission, no they just take and never give, they take what this lineage has already accomplished and mark their territory, remaking this lineage, and stealing the intellectual property of this lineage trying to mark their territory, like dogs do. We love dogs by the way!
If people come to "that Women or Rodham' to learn Baul they are being led astray, they are not Baul. It seriously is bull shit? I have to use strong language, I know be sweet, but sometimes sweet means to cheat.
I have been a long time avid student of Vaishnavism in the west of both Gaudiya Math and Iskcon. I have spent 18 years learning from Krishnendu Das Baul aka Babu Kishan. I received my first Bhagavad Gita in 1974.
I studied 24/7 under Jeffrey Armstrong, a brilliant Vaishnava Vedic and Tantric Scholar and Sadhaka. I met him in 1997 and sat at his feet for almost a decade, he introduced me to Vaishnava from Bengal. I am forever thankful to him, he inspired me to apply myself in the deeper study of Jyotish 'Vedic Astrology', Vedanta, Yoga, Ayurveda, Bhagavad Gita, Mahabharata and Ramayana and Martial Arts.
Jeffrey had been a student of these profound subject since 1965 and he is still going strong. This helped me understand Babu Kishan who has always had close friendship with Gaudiya Math & Iskcon in the west including George Harrison of the Beatles.
Babu Kishan and his family were constant fundraisers for both as his father always sang as fundraising events for many, while Babu Kishan played the Sri Khol and lectured.
Babu Kishan has been teaching Vaishnava Sahajiya Baul, Tantra Mantra Gopi Yantra, Indian Philosophy and Indian Music since the 1970's in the west and worldwide. I have no idea what "that women and Rodham are talking about saying in the west it only has been about music, no it has not! Stop your lying, you are not going to save us westerners, just stop yourself promotion and save you own soul, go and practice, stop lying and using Baul because once Babu Kishan get started you will be dust. He has spent a lifetime qualifying who is real and who is fake.
Just, because he is an accomplished Indian Musician does not mean that is all he has done, he also, is an oral Sanskritist and a Classical Sanskritist who composed poetry and music in Sanskrit and has for some of the top Music Composer in India such as Ravindra Jain. 12 years at the Ramakrishna Mission and has done huge fundraising for the Ramakrishna Mission.
These too Rodham and 'that Women' are trying to be Baba and Maa spreading false information, lying and trying to collect people. They want to be in the Baba and Maa business, it is embarrassing and the comments left on the youtube mindless.
I was a long time friend of the late Vrindavan Today's founder editor Jagadananda Das (Jagat). He was a prolific researcher blogger and writer of Gaudiya Vaishnavism and was an X Iscon research the subtler points of Bengali Vaishnava since the 1960's he lived in Vrindavan India for decades. Jagat had a love and affinity with Baul Sahajiya Baul and Gaudiya Vaishnavism I had many many private conversations on the subtle points of Vaishnava Baul Sahajiya and this one and only lineage. Babu Kishan's grandmother Brajabali Dasi was eternally tied to the Norottam Das lineage of Vaishnava poets and scholar and Nabani Das Khyapa Baul is eternally tied to Vaishnavism through Nityananda Gosia Chand of Ekachakra Birbhum, W Bengal. All the Gosia's aka (Gosian, Goswami) of Bengal and Vrindavan used to visit Brajabala. As much as people like Jagat know and he realized a lot, they are missing the nuances and the inner truth of what is Baul, Babu Kishan is a born oral Sanskrit with a photographic memory, I was born with a photographic memory and ruthless desire for the truth, not random truth presented as truth but impeccable truth, not a version of truth twisted into a cult. There is no replacing the actual truth of who and what Baul is by any random shilpi non-indigenous fake Bauls. Baul is not a game of jackpot fundraising and it not be in the hands of random people picking the bones of this lineages ancestor. Krishnendu Das Baul from birth is to preserve Baul, his grandparents Guru's Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and Brajabala Dasi gave him that task, has it been easy absolutely not, when one is a born Tara Ma sadhaka or upasaka in the burning grounds with Nabani ones life is not going to be fun and games, you will live many lives in one life. There is much to explain here, nothing to be assumed, this lineage is always Radha and Krishna first they live in their hearts but if one has a rare Baul Avadhut as as Guru as Krishnendu Das Baul aka Babu Kishan has Tara Ma, Kali Ma and the Mahavidya's will be there also. However, only this one and only lineage, there is a misconception thinking this history belongs to all pretendian fake Bauls, it does not, many hung outside of these shakti peeths trying to be Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and today fake random Baul are using it as an attraction for tourists, trying to hook more people into their ashram as a way of business.
These 2 must stop making loose associations, the nuances are completely missing, the essence is washed clean of any authority on the topic.
If you mention 'Baul and Gaudiya' or Baul and Tantra" the only Baul to speak to is Babu Kishan as he lived it from birth and was on the board of Tarapith for decades. Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das is the only authority he is the real last Baul who lived it all with the authentic celebrated last Baul Nabani Das khyapa Baul and his father Purna Das Baul.
These 2 are window dressing, I could tell you what is wrong and how they have it completely wrong, the only problem is they will take and use it as if they are the ones that knew. Talking about 'Gaudyia Math and the Bauls' is useless unless you tell the real history of this association with this lineage. However, they don't, you can not make, the association of Baul and Gaudiya Vaishnavism random and generic, so that you can lay claim to all the work and associations of this lineage.
Do you think we are stupid, the answer is obviously yes? Do you think others are stupid?
The only way you can talk about this is by talking about this lineage. However, you do not have permission to talk or tell any of this lineage stories, because you have poached this lineage of their intellectual property? Tell me is that Vaishnava? Absolutely not, Vaishnava is humbler than a blade of grass, but true humility means truth talking and non-stealing.
You are Banned from this lineage of Baul, you are not our friends. Babu Kishan does not want to even hear your names, and he didn't want me to write this, because or want your names on our blog.
This is all my doing, because I have watched this intellectual indigenous property theft for decades now.
For example;
1. Baul does not come from families, not the truth.
Baul is first and foremost indigenous, do you even understand what that means. Baul is different from, oh I just want to become a yogi and run away into the Himalayas where you meet a Guru and well you know there are a million stories, it is a different story from the Juna Akara where these people follow a different path of individual away from the family, even if a Baul joins the Juna Akara they still will have a family somewhere a long the line. Anyhow, I can't teach Baul here, that is not the purpose and actually that is the birth right and ancestral destiny of his lineage. I have allowed myself to give too much information out.
This blog has always announced 'copyright' I added, no poaching when I discovered that Rodham on an older youtube video, had poached and was telling Babu Kishan's stories about Nabani Das Khyapa Baul as if he knew, with giving no, credit, he alluded that he knew the story of Bob Dylan and the Bauls, as if he knew, showing the character of these 2 and their self-promotion without any shame. He acted like he an expert on Bob Dylan ect,. Most people would not catch any of this becasue they know it is the blind leading the blind and the younger generation just believes if a person looks authentic and has gathered all sorts of pictures with others, they are the real thing?
Babu Kishan can address all this better than I ever could.
No name dropping, cherry picking, poaching songs or the intellectual property of from this lineages. They are trying to suggest that the Bauls that came to the west before, never taught anything, they only sang folk songs and promoted folk songs, that all they did was play Baul music, it was all about Baul music, this is 100% wrong and a lie. Not the truth. That is exactly what the person talking has done, Babu Kishan has taught at Universities and given Master classes on Baul since the 1970's, because he is educated with a Master Degree BA and MA with 12 years at the Ramakrishna Mission because he was a representative of the government of India through ICCR and Sangeet Natak Akademi? He is the author of 3 books on Baul, now out of print, he is the first and last as a part of this Baul history.
Then in another video Ramchandra Rodham who now calls himself Sri Sri Ramachandra which is a change, trying to elevate himself to an expert, demanding respect, as if he is a spiritual Guru. Keep your eye on these 2 they morph and change their narratives all the time. He is elevating his sense of self-importance, while sensationalizing and poaching Baul from this lineage.
One by one twisting Baul slightly to make it more attractive to the people, it is so obvious the intent is to collect people, already stating, come and join us? Baul never ever collects people.
Authentic Bauls sole purpose is Seva to the villagers, have you healed anybody lately, have you fundraised for other, or just for yourself.
When I think how Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and his ancestors gave up their lives, to attend to the villagers, feeding them, healing them, the women Bauls were mid-wives. The Bauls taught the villager, and they never went door to door as "that women" states. Here whole statement is a testament to the false narratives pushed and the nuances that she has not got a clue about. The whole thing is a show, a show by 2 actors, who are destroying the essence of Baul they know you don't know so they can say anything and you will go oh wow, she is so humble, yes when you are an actor you can dupe anybody. It is sad and this must stop, it is inauthentic and an overstep.
I see this insanity of poaching Baul I cringe and you should too.
No the west does not need any fake Bauls. People here are worn out by cults, nobody here needs a new Vivekananda some random middle class middle class girl, now a women, who did not attend the RamaKrishna Mission, did not have a authentic Baul Guru and has changed trying to grab all of Baul, this could be a case study of a new cult in the making.
However, now uses the Ramakrishna mission of part of her marketing promotions, same as she did with Universities and Indian Cinema, including her award obtained for representing Baul, which should only have gone to indigenous Baul as she is from a regular middle class family. This is more like a Master class in tricking people that one is authentic when they are not even that, a master class in social media fake fame.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13890392/
The lack of intellect, discernment, of not this and not that, the lack of research into the subject of the youger generation regarding spirituality, the lack of nuances and people who know how to qualify what is real and what is fake is astounding. Never fall prey to charisma, there has to be experience and an authentic Guru, teacher or Master is an expert not one who acts humble.
Bauls had a deep intellectual mind, their genius was inborn through their ancestry of Vaishnava Sahajiya poets, and oral Sanskritist with manuscripts. They were the ancestors of Nityananda of Ekachakra connected to the land there, the soul and soil of the land which is indigenous to this lineage. Only Babu Kishan born Krishnendu Das Baul can tell the story, I have only given hints, and all those hints have been poached. Tell me is that Vaishnava? Think critically, don't think emotionally of what you see or exotic looking costumes and platitudes of generalizations touching on every aspect that this lineage has lived?
Baul is very personal to Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das Baul, he is a Pandit regarding Vaishnava Sahajiya, Baul Tantra Mantra Gopi Yantra, Sanskrit, Indian Philosophy and all of Indian Music. He is not self-titled and he has been teaching Baul worldwide and in India since the 1970's as a qualified teacher in every way, he is not self-titled. He is not an actor. His Guru is Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and Brajabala Dasi who is from the Norottama Das family, she is an oral Sanskrit-ist and knew all the stories off by heart and knew Vrindavan like the back of her hand, there are stories about her in Babu Kishan's book that will be released sometime this year, that is when you will hear more about all this.
People need to learn the questions to ask, instead of just gushing on a emotional level. This is the most important issue of our time, discernment and knowing what is fake and what is not.
https://indiafolkheritageofbengal.weebly.com/cultural-misappropriation.html
https://indiafolkheritageofbengal.weebly.com/lineage-baul-of-birbhum.html
What a sham, there may be a drop of heart there but not enough to stop her from stealing the intellectual property of this lineage and Babu Kishan grandfathers style, song Kicchu din mone mone? Right off of Babu Kishan's youtube channel without permission in 2009, where is the consciousness?
https://lineagebaul.blogspot.com/2022/07/kichhu-din-mone-mone-by-nabani-das.html
'That women' say's her Guru Sanatan Das Baul (not a das baul) but a self-titled das Baul) somewhere along the line said, books were useless, yet all her side kick Rodham does is read books, and Parvathy has been known steal the intellectual property from this lineage even when something is not correct. Sanatan Das Baul was illiterate, Baul is never illiterate, we will break this down one by one.
# 1. Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das Baul is a music composer, no not just one of those who say they are, he is a inborn Music Composer who is qualified with a Masters degree in Indian Music from Calcutta University, He has spent 40 years as a Music Composer in Indian Cinema with a huge body of successful and award winning music in Sanskrit, Bengali, Hindu, and a multitude of other languages. He has composed over 80% of his fathers Purna Das Bauls most famous Baul music. Yes, the song that these fake Bauls steal.
#2. Babu Kishan as an expert on Folk Music has categorized all of the Folk Music of India for the biggest Music Companies in India.
# 3. He has composed music for and recored Folk Music of Bengal for the biggest Folk Music singers of his time,
#4. He knows his Baul Music and his Baul Poetry inside out and backwards. He has composed for a huge number of temples and Guru's through out India including writing lyrics, poetry ect... and knows what is Baul, Folk, Bhajan, and all spiritual music of India.
So for this video to come out now by Parvathy saying Baul songs are not Folk songs, is laughable, she is not a Music Composer, she doesn't even know who the poets are, she said Bauls don't care, why Parvathy so you could steal the poetry? She sings most songs from this lineage and doesn't even know, that she has too has sung folk songs.
'That women' has advertised herself as a Folk singer, I have it in my files? What on earth is going on in Bengal, do they believe any of what she says, is it to fundraise in the name of Baul? So the Folk songs didn't work, the Buddhist part didn't work and then Lalon, they even tried Bollywood I guess that didn't work, now Ramakrishna, Vivekananda, Gaudiya math, first Radha, Tara Ma and now Krishna?
Babu Kishan has not gone anywhere, he is still alive and watching the Baul tradition, it is his passion and be dammed if he is going to let this go on any longer.
Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das is the expert, while Parvathy is a newbie, novice on the path along with her Sri Sri a beginner trying to usurp and be the first Baul in America, give me a break, what an insult. Trying everything, throwing it at the wall, will it stick, what is next, including trying to associate with Indian Cinema?
Next she will call herself a Music Composer. You and Rodham are banned from misappropriating anything from this blog or lineage. You want to be Purna Das Baul just like your Guru did, you want to be Nabani Das Khyapa Baul just like your Guru did, you want to be Babu Kishan too, by copying everything he has done and everywhere he has gone. I am sorry I am a warrior and a martial artist and the shakti of Nabani Das Khyapa Baul's grandson who has been preserving Baul for over 60 years. I will never forget and do do you honestly think Babu Kishan ever forgets, no he has a photographic memory.
Who is Baul, is in Bengali documentary with subtitles.
It is a more realistic view of where Baul is at today, not a fabricated fantasy info commercial a prelude to Vivekanada and the second coming of Christ as a Baul to America when Baul has been in America for decades? This screams a new cult. North America is burnt out of the cult mentality, but there still is a pathetic amount of ignorant people they can dupe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmNbe4qS2VA
I didn't want to critique or use the name the fake (pretendian) hawker Bauls, however, if people think what is going on is Baul you need to know it is not. This Rodham guy touches on everything I have already written on this blog and throughout my websites. He draws this picture of Baul that was lived a long time ago and is part of lived Baul history. Baul is already in the west it has been here since 1967. By the way the only way you know about Baul is through this one and only lineage of Baul that was copied by your so called Baul Guru. The only thing to do is call it what it is, acting and fakery at its best.
You feel entitled to so confidently call Purna Das Baul a shilpi Baul, no he is a Baul Samarat a Baul pandit Padma Shree, he is Nabani Das Khyapa Bauls son and has seen more, not only that he has seen and lived more than you have. He is in his 90's have alot of repect for him because you would not know about Baul without him, your Guru who was a cigarette seller would not have had any songs, or style to copy and steal. Lets look at who you are, and who your so called Baul Master and her Guru really are?
"That Women' think she is the new Vivekananda bringing Baul to the west? Hop on the freighter and act it out?
She appropriated Baul from this lineage, the fact is she appropriated the song Kichu Din Mone Mone. This is a Baul song from this lineage that has been appropriated! It is Nabani Das Khyapa Baul poetry, this Baul kirtan was stolen off Babu Kishan's youtube channel in 2009, she listened to over and over so many times even Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das Baul by birth noticed it? Of course it is popular it belongs to Nabani Das Khyapa Baul who was well known. Cease and desist because we are working on a plan to recover the intellectual property that has been taken without permission from this lineage, it will be a long court case, however, it is a must to send a message to all marginalized indigenous people that stealing the intellectual property of indigenous people is not ok, it is not ok.
Babu Kishan said to me, what is going on with my youtube "that women" has listened to this song over and over and over, we the analytics to proven.
She gave the name Roshik as the poet, even though it is not Roshik is a nickname of someone else from this lineage? Other people have re-recorded this song and other Baul songs from this lineage, but this in particular has been a disturbing blatant intellectual property theft.
If "that women' was not such a fake Baul who created a fake lineage while using the intellectual property of this lineage we would not care. But is unbelievable how the lies slip out as they do, how she reduces Baul to fit her limited understanding and how it is all about come and join us.
Stop making Baul generic and duping people. I have documented it all since we saw this blatant appropriation. I have documented when you took all the chapter titles from Purna Das Bauls book titled Baul Philosophy, and listed all the titles of the Chapters as to what you were going to teach in a workshop?
I have documented the time you said, Baul is from Turkey.
Baul is not from families, oh really, do you even understand what indigenous means?
Then 20 years ago, I met Babu Kishan and from listening to him 24/7 I realized he was trained in Mimamsa Philosophy, purva paksha, debate and had met a mentor of his a Supreme Court Judge of Calcutta and Bombay whom he traveled and was friends with since age 8 they would travel around Indian testing so-called, self-titled experts aka Gurus, Tantrics, Yogis to see if they were authentic, they knew that questions to ask, this was their practice as a hobby. This is a book unto itself.
Disregard for traditional spiritual practices ownership of their songs, dance, style, kirtans, where they go and what they, is the disregard for indigenous ancestral people who have preserved Baul for thousands of years, Baul is not a free for all, Baul is not an umbrella for all the random wandering people to use and abuse as they please.
Using the past Baul history as your history when you are not a Baul, your ancestors were not Baul and then reworking it is acting as if you did and created all of the Baul history and talking negatively about this lineage while using it, insinuating and making suggestions that music is the cause of the disappearance of Baul, No you are the cause of the disappearance of Baul taking the opportunities away from indigenous Baul, watering down Baul and stealing the indigenous intellectual property of this lineage. Do play stupid, this is just the beginning of notifying the world what your game is?
A nakal Baul will disregard or reject traditional spiritual practices and teachings, and may create their own doctrines that are not based on the authentic teachings of their tradition. Creating a mishmash or anything goes and everybody is a Baul, just plain creating bullshit to include yourself. Living in a fancy world of false narratives.
Recently I saw "that women" in a video with a so-called Guru who has a huge record of abuse, he disappeared for years and has reappeared as best friends as best friends of Nithyanada who was kicked out of India, and then created his own country, remember that guy?
I have both on cult watch lists, do your research, they both have a long list of complaints. He is making a comeback to a whole new unconscious group of dense people. This Guru is a Mauritian neo-Hindu from Mauritian who if you do research on has some very dubious best friends and dubious activities and questions on cult watch sites. This is who 'that women" associated with praises and as a reward he calls her a Saint. People do your research, yet no one does? It is easier to dupe people into fact cults today that it was at the hight of fake Cults even a decade ago, people do not learn anything from the past, they only become more woke and easily influenced.
https://youtu.be/I3YNqGxxll0?si=GXqnw41I8uPxNd9S
It is a spiritual crime to mislead people for your own purposes.
Do not trust anybody, watch this guys face, too much smile is fake. This video link will explain what a cult mind virus does to humans and especially young people.
Oh my God when talking about Baul, this lineage has no association with these two, we do not endorse cults or this kind of association it is the opposite of Baul. Do your research people.
Cults encouraging blind devotion: A false guru may encourage blind devotion to themselves rather than to the teachings and practices of their tradition, and may discourage independent thinking and critical analysis. Come and join us, follow are path, creating a false image of who a Guru is, when in reality it is not true, it is just a figment of your imagination. And what are getting out of Baul, perhaps you will be a Guru to, perhaps you will get out of India and travel the world by making false claims of you are going to introduce Baul to America when a Baul has been going and living in America for 4 decades, but don't dare mention that Baul only steal the intellectual property of that Baul.
It is important to do thorough research and exercise discernment when choosing a spiritual teacher or guru, and to be aware of these warning signs to avoid falling prey to a false or fraudulent teacher, Baul is not fake it til you make it. A Baul Guru there is no such thing as Baul Master, is not riding on the coattails of another lineage, stealing their songs, dress, style of dance and instruments, how do you account for this. it can be 100% proven, how do you account for this, your actions prove who you are?"
You must do your research, study and practice, today it easy, back a few decades ago we didn't have the internet. You can do all sorts of learning online. First develop your intuition, discernment and the basics, do not follow the crowd you will get no further than the crowd.
Ask profound questions and sources, where did you get that from, don't take what anybody says, did they do the work, did they go to the Ramakrishna Mission, what are they basing their Vaishnava on and watch face read them, this too is part of Baul, you have to be able to read anybody making outrageous claims.
Investigate, research, do not ever care about how many likes they have, or how many followers, sometime that is a big red flag because in Kali Yuga the time is backwards, who is real is seen as fake, and who is popular and has many fans is fake.
What does you gut say, what does your heart say, what does you head say. Do not rush to follow anybody, only your soul knows ask your soul.
This lineage is documented 13 generation to Nityananda of Ekachakra Birbhum W Bengal. Only this lineage, this indigenous ancestral lineage, not related to any other fake pretendian Bauls using the name Baul to collect people.
In the video mentioned, he is misleading and creating generalization hooking a rant as if he is doing an info-commercial for Baul? Bold-faced lies taking credit for what he has not even practiced.
This is fake and a false narrative. His technique is to disqualify this lineage and the fact they have appropriated and stolen the intellectual property of this lineage. Baul is not a game, it does not belong to you people you have done enough damage, you are not indigenous to Baul.
Without a shadow of doubt Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das Baul knows the questions to ask, he can see like with laser vision who is real and who is fake, and from day one he pegged Parvathy Baul as a fake, the problem here is he knew her Guru, he knew all the stories to begin with, you don't and they have made him out to be a saint. The only Baul saint and the last authentic Baul Bhakti Tantric Avadhut was Nabani Das Khyapa Baul.
There are no Bauls left, their is only the over 60 years of Baul preservation that Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das Baul and a Baul history and her-story already completed. A history that Parvathy and Rodham are tying to remake with all sorts of innuendo's?
Cherry picking, name dropping, poaching of this lineage picture taking, social media influencers, with stories based on nonsense. Better yet, get a job, raise children, I had a guru who always said, so you want to be a Guru and when people came up to him and asked how, he would say get married and have children and come and see me in 20 years, you need experience in life first. Not just I am not Baul and now I am an expert on Baul, when the authentic Bauls lived full lives and preserved Baul over generations, they would be rolling in their graves.
Baul has been in the west since 1967, Babu Kishan has been teaching in the west, Bhakti Yoga, Baul Kirtan, Tantra, Baul Philosophy and Indian Music since the 1970's, because he is an expert, he trained from Childhood and is indigenous to Baul, he spent 12 years as a monk 24/7 at the Ramakrishna mission not just reading little booklets he was in a deep 24/7 practice, you have to do the work before you can claim the work? No one can do that today, yet they can claim the whole of Baul, claim authority out of the blue, when yesterday, last year, they didn't even talk about Ramakrishna? Again, blatant cherry picking.
You mention Tarapith, and other shakti peeth like they are ice cream, have you ever done decades of sadhana at these places. Posting memes and taking pictures or making woodwork is not the tantic sadhana of these places where Nabani Das Khyapa Baul the last authentic Baul to walk on earth and he left in 1969 did sadhana, where the villagers knew him and gave him the name Khyapa Baba or Khyapa Baul because he served the villagers, he didn't serve himself. You make a fool of the actual people who did the work the real sadhana, all I hear is you have self-titled yourself, you are doing self-promotion and acting with no shame.
Baul is already in the west permanently since 2009, he does not advertise his teachings, he does not promote what he is doing, the people who know him are in touch with him. An authentic Baul does not play your games of social media, they are always disguised, mystical and mysterious, they do not sell their spirituality and play pretend.
It is easier now through social media, because it is easier to dupe more people, attract more people and start a Maa or Baba business of dominance, don't insult Vivekananda, he didn't come by airplane, he had an authentic Guru that had a tremendous shakti. If you thought Sanatan Das Baul had a power or shakti lol, just stop it, as I said Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das Baul knew him, there are so many stories that must be told. You will be qualified, that I can assure you, just not yet, but soon.
Purna Das Baul is not a shilpi Baul, oh my God he is the Baul Samarat Pandit Purna Das Baul he is an indigenous Baul from the soul and soil of Ekachakra Birbhum W Bengal. If not for him you would have no songs to sing, you would not know anything about Baul because of him Baul was made popular, because of Purna Das Baul and Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and Babu Kishan you would not know anything about Baul, you would not have a template to appropriate? You have no right to talk anything about this lineage and lump it into your fake crusade as the new Vivekananda or the second coming of the Krishna and Radha to the west.
Purna Das Baul is a many time President awarded, with a Padma Shree, have you no shame. Nityananda is a ancestor of this lineage going back 13 generations, you are lying about this 7 generation thing, unbelievable, seriously you have are seem desperate.
You copy everything from this lineage and this blog, not just on this video but on others videos, telling stories that can only be heard here and only stories told by Babu Kishan, trying to remake an already lived history of this lineage, while dismissing the people who introduced Baul to all of Bengal, India and Baul worldwide til this day.
I tried to ignore this recent push into the west and the video titled 'Tantra and Baul', however, it is an insane abuse of Baul, copying of everything already said on this blog.
The interviewer has not got a clue that you are a Baul hawker, she has no idea what she has gotten into. You touch on everything and every part of this lineages lived history, I don't think there is too much missed.
A Baul hawker is someone who uses Baul who is not indigenous to Baul. They copy from where-ever, floating around the internet making contacts, poaching others work and 'faking it til they make it' this started in the 1970's I see there is now a revival in this new Baul scheme?
We live in a post truth era where there is an over abundance of information on the internet, where practice is a show, an after thought, something to brag and act like you know what you are doing, a show, an act, to collect people as you said, in another video come and join us? Baul does not collect people? How can a non-indigenous random person from South India, who has never done any of the Ramakrishna sadhana's claim Vivekananda and RamaKrishna?
Completely manipulating people who do not even understand the language of Baul, pretending, Baul hawkers, who if anybody is a shilpi Baul it is Parvathy Baul who is acting out Nabani Das Khyapa Baul style of instruments and dance, acting out the song she stole from Babu Kishan youtube channel a song from his lineage of Baul kirtan, there is no other lineage of Baul kirtan. People who do not understand the language or Indian Music think this is great, but it is all an act. But, there you are Vivekananda in female acting form is coming to America?
You will need to fundraise for you jackpot, collect donations from unsuspecting fools, in the name of indigenous Baul, this is indigenous identity theft, and indigenous property theft, probably even indigenous fraud, when they steal the songs, style and practices from this lineage and this blog.
Baul is an indigenous ancestral tradition, lineage, Guru Shishya Parampara Lineage there is only one originating from Ekachakra Birbhum West Bengal India. Oh my God he does not know what he is talking about regarding Baul in the West, he does not know anything, no idea and he calls Purna Das Baul a shilipi Baul?
Rodham has elevated 'that women' as if she was greater than Purna Das Baul and Nabani Das Baul and is taking all the work this lineage has done and faking it as if she had done it all. Sheer garbage, Babu Kishan has been teaching Bhakti Yoga for decades in the west, he lives in the west. My goodness what fakery. Now they are the roots of Baul?
Rodham is insinuating 'that women' is bring Baul to the west, just like Vivekanada coming to the west?
Coming to the west is already Baul history, Babu Kishan is in the west lol oh you think you know more than he does? Don't insult our intelligence I take extreme acceptance to your ignorance.
Thousands of people read and do research from this blog since 2009. This must be understood, this is a very old ancient lineage of Baul and there is one lineage, new fake lineages have been created. Our goal is to reclaim and explain what has happened to Baul, this is one of the reasons Baul is no more, too much fakery. It has to be said, names must be called out.
These 2 "That Women' and Rodham are actors trying to repeat the history of Baul already lived as Baul history, Baul indigenous history, they are leaving out many nuances and changing Baul, muddying the waters in a confusing rhetoric, a rambling and claiming of Baul.
Baul is a very old lineage that they have not been initiated into, there is no way their Guru Sanatan Das Baul was a Baul, he copied everything from this lineage, songs, dance, style and even wore the patch work dress Babu Kishan designed.
Babu Kishan knew him way before these 2 were born, he had no energy, he had no knowledge and couldn't speak oral Sanskrit or read the manuscripts, he completely copied Nabani Das Baul style of instruments and dance that is why Parvathy Baul too copies Nabani Das Khyapa Baul style.
This fakery is pushing the boundaries on bull shit, indigenous intellectual property theft and plain old lying acting as an expert on Baul and again randomizing Baul making Baul generic to fit into the narrative.
Since the 1970's I have been studying the cult mind virus and the technique that are used to created cults and followers of cults. It is one of my biggest studies over all of this time.
As a Vedic Astrologer for almost 3 decades I have counselled many who have been looted, brainwashed and don't have a clue who is real and who is not. The techniques are numerous to entrap people, collect people and trick people, ask for donations to help start an ashram, it happens every other day here in the west. First you should have an authentic Baul Guru, someone with adhikara and unfortunately these 2 are not authentic Bauls. Understand Baul is indigenous, there is no way around this, and one should know all the Baul languages first which are Oral Sanskrit with manuscripts, Birbhum Bengali, Sandhya Bhasa and indigenous Bauls own style of Sandhaya Bhasha, there is no exception.
One must be from an authentic lineage with a real Baul Guru who wrote the poetry, not a fake Baul guru who poached the poetry. There is a difference, and one must be educated in all ways. Their Guru should be a oral Sanskritist and non-stealing, truth-talking not someone who is so jealous that they poison a Baul Samarat. I am a strong advocated or exegesis as a Vedic Astrologer and through my cult watch research. Babu Kishan has over 60 years of watching how the fake Bauls came to be, he knew them all including Sanatan Das Baul way before the 2 in this blog post were born, he has the real story.
Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das has been specifically trained in Purva Paksha and academic exegesis in determining who is a real and who is a fake Baul, Guru, Siddha, Tantra, Yogi ect.. He was trained first by his Grandfather (Guru) Nabani Das Khyapa Baul, then 12 years at the Ramakrishna Mission.
The podcast is called the forgotton essence, lol the essence is not there in those 2 fake Bauls, the essence is only in the lineage of Baul, you have interviewed the wrong people. If your param Guru is Satya Sai Baba what are you doing messing up Baul. Then Swami Vivekananda, Ramakrishna reading small booklets, now Maa Kali, Sir Aurobindo and the Mother love of his writings, 2021 asking what is Baul? My God and you representing Baul? Parvathy is wearing Nabani Das Khyapa Baul style of ankle bells copied from this lineage?
Sanatan Das Baul is NOT a Baul Guru stop this bull shit. All acting, it is all fake. Santan told Parvathy to go and find a real teacher. What a story, Baba this and Baba that, come on this is just a show. A space possessed with spirits that should not be there if one is an actual Baul. OMG what a story? Folks be careful. Bauls use the term Vayu Dharma for prana??
"That women' is a intellectual identity thief, she has stolen songs from this lineage and instead of admitting it will say, Bauls don't care who the poets are. Bauls always know who the poets are? She has the ability to act, all story, who cares what you did, it is about being truthful and not fake. There is no way that they have anything to do with Nityananda of Ekachakra, 7 generations it is way longer than 7 generations. There were no old Baul masters in 2016 what a story of lies. This is they typical making up of stories to legitimize oneself.
https://lineagebaul.blogspot.com/2025/02/indigenous-identity-theft-indigenous.html
Nabani Das Baul was the last authentic Baul, the last Baul Avadhut, this guy is exaggerating and lying. Guru and Shishya in Baul was never taken for granted, oh blah blah blah. He has no adhikara or authority to talk about Baul.
I have no idea why these fake Bauls are all of sudden, never before attaching themselves to the Ramakrishna Mission.
Did they see that Babu Kishan has been the first and last Baul to spend 12 years there.
Do the work first, if you are going to claim the Ramakrishna Mission do the sadhana, lets see how far you get that means 24/7 for years?
Stop using Babu Kishan stories posing for pictures talking bull shit as if you actually have done the work.
Then when he was at Calcutta University he traveled all over India with his family and by him-self as a representative of Calcutta University teaching at Universities Indian Philsophy and Indian Music. I gave a list of his teaching at Universites worldwide through the 1970, 1980, 1990 onward.
First you have to attend University before you teach, however this Fake Baul 'that women' has to try to be Babu Kishan in this area too?
The new Vivekananda Baul is coming to the west, she just never did the work except travel the world riding on the coattails of this lineage pretending she is Purna Das Baul singing on big stages, would you not call that actor Baul, shilpi Baul and there is no such thing as Baul Master, you guys made that up.
Someone has the brainy idea to have her talk at Berkley University in San Francisco as if she is an authority on Baul, to show her academic ability and to mimic Babu Kishan's long list of teaching at Universities around the world? What a joke, she is there to collect donations hawking her paintings, she teaches false teaching, that have already been identified as wrong.
She tells the audience there are 4 types of Baul Aul Sai Dervish and Fakir, no there are not, and if you really believe that, why are play acting Vaishnava Bhakti Yoga and Tantra now? Oh right she is still teaching this false narrative to some you Vaishnava people on a podcast, what these young people need is someone who is an indigenous Baul who is trained not faked, you are misleading a whole generation. Baul has been in the west!!
You should be teaching the fake Muslim Baul dialogue? Everything is a one liner, a covering a point of already lived first and last from this lineage, even Indian Cinema Bollywood? Why, that is Babu Kishans lived life, Indian Cinema has nothing to do with Baul, I will tell you why it is all self-promotion for fundraising in the fake Baba and Maa business.
We know where you got the Aul, sai, dervish, and fakir from and we also know why you changed your tune? You can not make this up, once Parvathy was asked where is Baul from and not too long ago, she said Turkey?
Advertising her accomplishment of teaching Baul at Berkley she bragged about it on the front page of her website, she had taught at Berkley University?
The video of that teaching showed that she taught at Berkley University, why, she never attended University, the only other Baul to talk about teaching at Universities all over India and worldwide was Babu Kishan because he went to University with a BA and Master degree. What is this some kind of competition to take over Babu Kishan's life and she has even tried to be associated with Indian Cinema (Bollywood) where Babu Kishan has had a 40 years career? What is the purpose, is it to make you self legit to gain fundraising, it always comes down to wanting something. Now she is going to introduce Baul to the west, what a pile of bull shit, Baul is in the west it has been her since 1967 and no not just because of hippies. If someone asked you to party with them, just say no, Babu Kishan has for 40 years in the west.
In 2009 she came to Vancouver and advertised herself as a Legendary Baul Women, when Babu Kishan has always said, his Grandmother Brajabala Dasi and aunt Radharani Das were the last legendary women, my God has she no shame, these two women were the last Baul women to walk on earth. I have seen Parvathy say she is the only Baul women to travel the world, my Goddess Manju Das was way before her doing cultural programs, teaching Baul worldwide with her husband Purna Das Baul who you have the audacity and gaul to call a shilpi Baul. Pravathy has done nothing but riding on the coattails of this lineage and you have cherry picked from Babu Kishan's stories, life and written words on this blog, written by me Trishula Das, but as told by Babu Kishan.
So Babu Kishan puts in the time, does all the work and you fake your way to fame with dread locks or jata, copying Nabani Das Khyapa Baul the only Baul since his ancestor Khyapa Chand and Nityananda of Ekachakra that had jata, because they did sadhana in the forests alone and this was the way without showers and modern conveniences such as airline travel and internet.
I dare you to cut your jata off, you live in the modern world traveling the world teaching what is not your to teach I dare you to give up your gimmick and see what happens. They are away to gain attention, oh yes we all have heard the stories of how your hair is antenna to the higher realms but that is when you live away from people? Today we have the internet?
Rodham you like to name drop and cherry pick not just on this video, how tricky your are I am an expert at detecting fake people. I have watched your type for over 50 years, spiritual sales people, spiritual hawkers, all the Gurus that came to the west over decades, your view is slanted you are talking to people twice your age, you think everybody is stupid. Babu Kishan he has seen it all thousands of times and qualified many of them, you see he is trained he had authentic real Guru's not marketing masters, big Gurus like Satya Sai Baba who manifested a Gold metal for Purna Das Baul, you see probably before you were a kid Purna Das Baul and family were special guest of Satya Sai Baba's 50th anniversary and other times. It has nothing to do with you and your fake Baul minions.
https://youtu.be/o3NSZIxeNuo?si=vECf4yC_k4kURJnB
You will probably lay claim to this too, saying Baul had association with Satya Sai Baba, no Baul did not this lineage, this indigenous ancestral Baul one and only lineage and the name is Purna Das Baul who brought Baul to the west for more that 40 years of travel to the west, This lineage is connected to the Kali Mandir in Laguna Beach, especially Babu Kishan who was instrumental in helping Usha Harding fundraise for the temple and instrumental in encouraging her to start the temple. Tell me why your Sananta Das Baul was there, he had nothing to do with it and what about Parvathy? Perfect example while we are at it of how hawker Bauls follow this lineage including everywhere, and everything they do and have done?
Baul does not collect people. Baul does not lie, Baul does not say as Rodham says, come join us? Baul does not say there are 20,000 Bauls left in W Bengal, Rodham said this in another video it is a complete lie or exaggeration to collect people? Obviously, the goal is to become fundraise for a jackpot in the lucrative Baba and Ma business? This is the perfect example of a hawker Baul.
Rodham has poached stories and cherry picked from this blog, I can prove it.
It is so obvious, instead of actually working in Indian Cinema they are faking an association by opening up a IMBD account for a youtube video, as a promotion for Parvathy as a Ma showing the villagers touching her feet. It is so obvious Baul is only a mean to an end for the lucrative Maa and Baba business, perhaps you want to be Anandamayi Ma, never could you even touch her feet. Then there is Ammachi in Kerala the hugging saint, she has made billions perhaps that is the end game?
Shilppi Baul, you are the only actor Bauls.
Babu Kishan has already completed, and done all you write about over 6 decades, he has done all the work, met all the people lived in the USA and Canada. He has already brought Baul to America, taught Baul to thousands of people worldwide before you were born, what an insult, the only problem with Baul is that is has been liquidated by you and your Guru, remember it is about character, truth (satya) and non-stealing.
Nabani Das Khyapa knew Vivekananda. You can not even touch or understand who Nabani Das Khyapa Baul was is living in Babu Kishan, they both have been to all the temples you talk about the Shakti Piths, Tarapith. Nabani Das Khyapa was initiated by Bhama Kepa, he was a authentic Tantric there no an armchair take people on tours there, he trained Babu Kishan from birth and it was Tara Ma who saved his life as a premature baby with crooked limbs.
https://vedicgoddess.weebly.com/temples-of-india-blog/kankalitala-temple-bolpur-birbhum-west-bengal This was a 2013 post, Babu Kishan has been teaching the world about Baul since the 1970's.
Kankali Tala Temple in Bolpur is where the villagers knew Nabani Das Khyapa Baul.
Stop all the bull shit, really it is too much, over the years everything written here has been copied sometimes word for word including out Ektara Foundation goals? Instead of attending and raising money for the Ramakrishna Mission, instead of actually knowing Anandamayi Ma and having a relationship with her as this lineage has, you go and take pictures as if you had that association.
Why are you two reworking everything this lineage has already completed as Baul history and claiming it for yourself. What is the end goal and purpose, you are not Bauls, you can't just fake Baul history without knowing the whole story or the nuances, just rambling as if you are a jokers.
I write about Baul Tantra on this blog, they come out with a pathetic video called Baul and Tantra which is absolutely garbage, do not copy anything from us, time is over.
The first comment made by a reader was; now it is Vivekanada and then comes (satya) Sai Baba, Ali Baba,, then comes Adi Shankar, then Modiji, and then comes Sad Guru Ji, and then comes Kejriwalji and then it is Baba Apte and then comes Sridi sai Baba', the commentator forgot to mention..... Ramakrishna, Aurobindo, Anandamayi Ma, Bollywood a long rant of bull shit, it is so obvious, I am a mystic I can see right through this guy, I can face read.
They have no shame.
At least Babu Kishan and Manoj Kumar composed music and an album for the Shridi Sai Baba temple. The 2 of them were at the Shirdi many many times, with the recently late Indian Cinema superstar, Manoj Kumar was an Indian actor, Film director, screenwriter, lyricist and editor in Indian Cinema he was a giant and recently passed a way, he was a good friend of Babu Kishan they did a lot of work together over the years.
Babu Kishan never talked about his life. I have, because of people who have stolen his music, his intellectual property and his life work. Babu Kishan is not one for name dropping, but what tis going it is a must because Baul history is his history and his ancestors history and it is being bastardized, and stolen.
He didn't talk about it, he composed music for many temples in India and many Guru's he never talked about it?
He didn't say his produced, recored the first ever recored Hanuman Chalisa in the 1980's and played in all temples of India with the most listens to in the history of India. Singing by late Hari Om Sharan.
Where Babu Kishan has gone, who he has met these 2 can not dream, the part in Indian History and Baul history that Babu Kishan, Purna Das Baul, Nabani Das Khyapa have played is not talked about, it is time to reclaim the authentic history of the Vaishnava Sahajiya Baul of Birbhum as part of history, rather being replaced by fakes.
I write about Bhakti Yoga and am the first to mention Baul Kirtan on this blog, and then all of sudden "that Women' is listing Kirtan with no mention that she stole a Baul kirtan right off Babu Kishan's youtube channel? No I won't let it go.
Now they are Bhakti, oh wait I wrote about Baul Tantra with implicit copyrights on the material now they are talking about Baul and Tantra.
On the youtube video Tantra and Baul, it is not Baul, Baul Tantra is very specific and can only be learned from an indigenous authentic Baul Guru. Oh my God what is he talking about? The interviewer is born in the west and she meets people like this and thinks they are authentic and that they tell the truth. She does not have a clue, the blind leading the blind, Baul can only been through indigenous initiation not through second hand fakes who write, copy and paste from book to book and call it their own?
It is absolutely necessary that this fakery is understood, there is no such thing as a Baul artist or a Baul Master.
For too long indigenous Bauls have been pushed aside with their names taken off, while fake Baul which we call pretendian Bauls or hawker Baul, have been 'riding on the coattails of this lineage' while reducing and watering down a beautiful ancient indigenous people, it is the nuances that matter and it is the nuances that are completely lost.
I have volumes of accumulated research that I have to dig through regarding Baul. I won't miss a drop, I am wild about defending my husband, his lineage and legacy. I have watched this fake phenomenon for 2 decades now, this last video pushed me over the edge.
Dread locks on a Women is a well know way to attract people, this is gimmick. The dress was copied from Babu Kishan's movie on Baul about his aunt Radharani Dasi, nobody knows this more than Babu Kishan because he designed the dress style that "that women" wore or used to wear. Baul women do not wear that dress style it was created for the movie called Tagori.
First of all if you are not 'Gosia Chand Das Baul or Dasi or an oral Sanskritst there is no way you are Baul.
Sanatan Das Baul is not a 'Das Baul' he is like the rest of the fake Bauls who copied everything from this lineage. He copied their songs, Nabani style of dance and even the colourful patchwork dress Babu Kishan designed. Babu says, he had no energy, he did not have any adhikara authority regarding Baul, he was a refugee from East Bengal and used Baul to survive which many of the refugee's from East Pakistan at the time of partition and the 1971 war between India and what is now called Bangladesh. There is and never were Bauls in East Bengal or Bangladesh that is all made up and can be proved.
There is no such thing as a Fakir or Muslim Baul.
Monohar Kepa was a poet not a Baul by the way, he did not have a lineage, you can not make a lineage out a one time poet? Purna Das Baul loved him and called him a Baul, but then that was his habit of calling everybody a Baul, he named Bob Dylan the first western Baul, that does not mean Bob Dylan was an actual Baul.
I saw some so-called, self titled Western Bauls say their Guru was the first Western Baul he was not, he was not even a Baul, there are another group with use Baul to fundraise who made up a lineage that does not exist, a fake lineage.
Baul is not a free for all, this lineage did all the work, you come along and try to be them, without any essence of Baul or indigenous ground to stand on?
Taking awards that are set aside for the indigenous Bauls. Trying to be Purna Das Baul and Nabani Das Baul and using all Babu Kishan's blog and website posts on who the Bauls are to create your fake platform.
The one I really laugh at is how you actually created a IMBD account for a youtube video, showing the villagers touching Parvathy feet, Baul did not go to village so that villagers could touch your feet, it is the other way around, omg the audacity.
The Bauls served the villagers, they healed the villagers, Bauls touched the villagers feet, their job was to serve the villagers?
We live in a post truth era, where the 'fake appears real' and the 'real appears fake' this lineage through Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das Baul is going to reclaim and qualify all the lies and liars, users and abusers, so get ready.
Now with AI Artificial intelligence, we are pushed to protect and reclaim this one and only lineage or Guru Shishya Parampara Sampradaya of Baul.
Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu's 4th book on Baul will be published later this year 2025 and all will be explained in detail, the fakery that has gone on, for fame, fundraising jackpots, awards, recording contracts, and traveling the world duping people.
Baul is indigenous and nobody outside the indigenous bubble should ever steal the intellectual property of an indigenous community, they have been marginalized and have had a very difficult time. The United Nations rights on indigenous people clearly states, on the indigenous people have a right to their own self-determination, not someone that is not even from Birbhum?
Baul is not easy, it takes a lot and one is born into a Baul family authentic lineage, not a made up lineage based one generation poet.
The first lie I present her is that Parvathy Baul said, Baul is not from families it is by initiation.
#1. You are wrong Baul is indigenous, which is always from families go and study what an indigenous person is, you may have your own indigenous tribe in Assam.
I don't know if your wrong answers are intentional to include yourself or that you are just ignorant?
You are not a Baul, we know it, you know it, it is just that some government bodies don't know it yet, and westerners are easy to dupe, they do not know the language or what you singing, they don't know you poached songs from this lineage right off Babu Kishan's youtube channel.
Have either of you put in the study and time, no, you just read Babu Kishan being the only Baul attended the Ramakrishna Mission for 12 years being the first and last Baul to have deep roots in the Ramakrishna Mission, as his family fundraised for the Ramakrishna Mission for decades, however, you only fundraise for you fake lineage. We will get that too, who is Sanatan Das Baul really?
After seeing this past video I feel I have to qualify it and speak out to protect the names and people who are still practicing Baul and are from Baul indigenous to Baul.
Many people love Baul and many people are way more qualified that this character who is poaching bits and pieces of Baul off our blogs and websites. He is tied to Parvathy B@&?. I didn't want to mention her name, but she is duping so many people and the ones asking the question do not know, the ones listening do not know, so it is very easy to make people stupid as an actor Baul.
I have watched from a far and documented everything she has said and advertised since Baul hit the fb in 2008, not because I was interested the anylitics on his youtube went off the chart. Babu Kishan had created a bunch of Baul fusion videos on youtube on his youtube channel called the, The Bauls of Bengal, we saw the intellectual property theft right before our eyes are were puzzled who is that? No problem, no big deal, but it was a big deal she took the song, re-recorded it and acted out Nabani Das Khyapa Baul style of dance and instruments with fake tears rolling down her eyes, her acting caught the attention of many, but the disturbing part was she wrote the poets name as Roshik when it was Nabani Das Khyapa Baul song that had already been recorded first on Hindustan Records. Again, this is the character of someone who wants to be a Guru a Maa, this is not a Saint or a Baul Avadhut, character matters.
You may ask what intellectual property theft, we have the analytics,
Because of this pathetic display on this Video, 'Hidden Truths of Tantra and Baul Mysticism' and because I have critiqued many books and papers on Baul I feel I can no longer ignore this blatant display of ignorance. People do not think critically about any of this anymore. There are no hidden truths, and if their are Baul and Tantra is secret and only a shadow, has been revealed by Babu Kishan.? What game are you playing, you think talking about the shakti peeths in your neighbourhood qualify you to even talk about Baul and Tantra. That history regarding Baul belongs to Nabani Das Khyapa Baul he was the last and only Baul Avadhut.
'Hidden Truths of Tantra and Baul Mysticism'.
In another video a few years earlier he displays his talents at poaching from many sources including from our intellectual property, reworking and cherry picking, stories about Nabani Das Khyapa Baul that only have been told by Babu Kishan, alluding to the fact he knows the Baul - Bob Dylan stories, my goodness it was so blatant and he was so excited and very proud of himself, again character always is important?
I have a timeline on all of this and documents including analytics of the poaching of LineageBaul.blogspot.com and our websites, mine in particular, so much so I took down the Baul pages on my website because I could see the poaching right before my eyes.
I first saw Rodham on Dr. Staneshwar Timalsina's fb page called 'Vimarsha Foundation', I was there to deepen my understanding of Kashmiri Shavism and have listened to and attended all his classes online. I am a perpetual student since 1974, a student of Baul, Tantra, Vedic Astrology, Ayurveda and Doaist Martial arts and Qigong including Buddhist Qigong, Health Qigong, Daoist Qigong and Tantric Qigong for decades.
Out of the blue at the beginning of his foundation, Rodham started to promote Parvathy Baul videos on Dr. Timalisina's fb Vimarsha foundation page? We were all there to listen to his lectures and support him, who does that starts to promote videos of a completely different topic. I had to hold myself back and was so please Shantanu spoke out, he knew my history with Babu Kishan and was surprised this happened. I mean I could have posted Babu Kishan's videos all over, but then it comes down to manner and character. I was perplexed back then, because my husband Krishnendu Das Baul aka Babu Kishan has been instrumental over 60 of introducing Baul to all of Bengal, India and worldwide.
Rodham's intro in his video is like, he is some accomplished Guru, perhaps even Ramakrishna himself. You would think he was a monk at the Ramakrishna mission for 12 years, oh but, no his father was into Ramakrishna, just as Parvathy qualifies as her mother was into Ramakrishna?
Loose associations are made of everything this lineage has already lived and completed as part of Baul history. Baul History and her-story is never from outside of the one and only lineage of Baul. Babu Kishan first started to talk about LINEAGE long ago he named this blog lineage Baul and all of sudden everybody made up LINEAGEs that never existed before?
In one post 'that women' laid claim to be the first Women Baul to travel the world. We ignored it, not anymore, another lie seriously she must have thought nobody was watching. Manju Das who was Baul Samarat, Padma Shree Purna Das Bauls wife, was the first Women Baul to travel everywhere in the world teaching at Universities with her son Babu Kishan as she was educated and a master classical singer with many albums. She passed away in 2010 but traveled far and wide since the 1960's.
She was the first and last Baul women to create Baul her-story traveling the world. That legacy belongs to her not "that women' who merely rode on the coattails of this lineage and their history and her-story. That her-story belongs to Manju Das at least she was married to the Baul Samrat Purna Das Baul an indigenous Baul born in Ekachakra Birbhum W Bengal.
The new Vivekananda is coming to America! The second coming of Vivekananda as a pretendian Nakal Baul Women is coming to America as another fundraising concept, they know people don't know what is authentic Baul and what is not. She is now representative of Bhakti Yoga, Tantra, Baul and the list goes on.
It is important to understand the difference between fake humility and authentic humility, who is acting and who is authentic, fake humility involves pretending acting to be humble but they have strong ulterior motives such as attention seeking, fake humility is used to manipulate others, self-promotion or achieve a specific goal, it could be to be a mega star in the lucrative Baba and Ma business?
Fake humility is often driven by self interest it is very subtle that is why it is important that you learn the questions to ask, and some principles of Purva Paksha and debate in the India philosophic systems of exegesis (a pulling a part, research, making comparisons of not this not that, and document things over a long period of time, to see if there are any big red flags).
Copying the list this lineages 'already lived' Baul history as first and lasts in their story of Baul history, but stripped of their names? Is not something a humble person does, it is what someone who is acting for an agenda does?
When talking about Baul Baul (Vayu Tula) Gosai Chandra Das Baul should never be made random, homogenous or faked, because first of all it does not belong to this person who is stealing the intellectual property of this lineage. They are teaching false narratives, while using the songs, style, dress, Kirtans, and the intellectual property of this lineage, the ones who have preserved Baul and the only reason anybody knows anything about Baul.
This looting, and poaching of this lineages indigenous intellectual property amount to indigenous Fraud and causes a reductionism and dangerous watering down, and generification: the use of Baul as an umbrella name usually for fundraising for financial jackpots, this has happened so many times since this lineage made Baul popular, they have been used and abused.
It is time for this using and abusing, acting to discontinue and for this lineage to reclaim Baul and its inner meaning, not to collect people but to teach and educate. Baul is already in the west Babu Kishan has been here for a very long time back and forth since the 1970's, he is not a devotee collector, he is not an expansion-ist, he is not into the Baba or Ma spiritual Guru business. it is pathetic what is going on regarding Baul and all the lies.
That is what he is into telling the truth and it is about time.
Generification: is the use of Baul as an umbrella name without giving the past history of Baul. How the fake Nakal pretending Baul actors drew their conclusions of self-promotion in creating titles on podcasts such as 'Baul and Tantra' and then rambling on without any authentic history of 'Baul and Tantra' like an advertising for a tour, or titles like 'Baul and Gaudiya Vashnavism' without any real connections or actual history of this connection, just another attraction to collect people an omg all the false narratives spread to these innocent young Vaishnava?
I will explain more as we move on through this article, which is long and if I can hold your attention.
Generification happens today in spiritual traditions to, it has happened to this lineage. The use of Baul as an umbrella name for every random wandering person or self-titled so-called Bauls since partition and then again in 1971. In numerous cases over the past century, the colloquial term and the way Baul has been used as a general term for just about anybody who decides they are a Baul without any adhikara or authority of even what it means to be a Baul.
The term Baul is very specific and unique, the name has been mistranslated forever abused and misused again, only because this lineage made Baul popular otherwise no one would call themselves a Baul and start a marketing career of fake narratives for the lucrative financial jackpot fundraising of Baul? This is why you have to know the history of Baul, not a generic history, but the authentic history with all the nuances never told.
The problem is how would you know who is Baul and whether what they are promoting is true, they have no adhikara in Baul. The purpose of the new book Historical Baul, is to be released soon, to teach you what the real Baul history is and her-story is, to use the names of the Bauls who lived the story. Baul does not collect people.
Not a remake by nakal Bauls who are tracing every aspect of Nabani Das Khyapa Baul, Purna Das Baul and Krishnendu Das Baul aka Babu Kishan's already lived lives and their Baul history, their style, songs, dress, instruments, kirtans, where they have gone and what they have done already as firsts and lasts in Baul?
Seriously, again I can not make this up, nor do I, but after finding all these false narratives and seeing people taken in by nakal pretendian Baul actors and I am not talking about the people in the village and the Baul singers who are singing Bauls songs in the villages, I am talking about very specific nakal fake Bauls acting out Baul.
This one and only lineage (Guru Shisya Prampara Baul Sampradya) is not a Yoga Parmapara, it is a Vaishnava Shahajiya Tantric Baul sampradya of which yoga is part of called Sadhu Sanga.
Nabani was an adept Avadhut, alchemist, he was rare and nobody can be him, you can grow jata and copy his style of dance and instruments, however, it is an insult to fake Nabani Das Khyapa Baul who an adept Yogi who could meditate under water for days.
I don't want to give it all away, but what Nabani did was not your regular self promoting fake Baul.
What Purna Das Baul did was not regular either and Babu Kishan has already accomplished 6 decades of research and preservation of this lineage as requested by Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and Brajabala Dasi he Baul Gurus and grandparents. He created the modern platform for the survival of indigenous Baul by indigenous ancestral Baul.
And by the way, Baul did not go door to door at all hours of the day, another fake narrative. The true story of Baul will be in the new book to be released in 2025.
The new phenomena of reaching into the lives of Nabani Das Khyapa Baul, Pandit Padma Shri (Purna Das Baul) and Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das Baul who have single handedly pioneered Baul throughout India and the world.
The gaul of remaking their indigenous cultural heritage, their associations, their indigenous practices, songs, style, dance, instruments, Baul kirtans, where they have gone and what they have done.
This is called indigenous identity theft, blatant orchestrated cultural appropriation, which is not just done by westerners, it is happening right now in India by Indians who are using Baul, no different from all the fake yogis, sadhu's ect today.
Regarding Baul history there is a whole list, big list of the copying of Babu Kishan's lived history, it is part of history that Babu Kishan is the first Baul to attend the Ramakrishna Mission for 12 years, Nabani met Vivekananda and this indigenous family has fundraised for the Ramakrishna Mission as part of the past 5 decades of Baul History.
This lineage is tied to Gaudiya Vaishnavism through their ancestor Nityananda of Ekachakra Birbhum their ancestors were born their, their bones are buried there. this lineage has been respected and fundraised for Gaudiya Math for in recent memory back to the 1800's. This lineage is Gosia Chand Das Baul and Dasi, there is not another Das Baul lineage, because of the popularity of this lineage their Das Baul title was copied by Baul singers.
This lineage has been a Cultural Representatives of the Indian government since Nabani Das Khyapa sang for Nehru as part of the Freedom Movement all over India and at the inauguration of India in 1947.
Regarding Baul and Tantra only Nabani Das Khyapa Baul was a Baul Avadhut who did real sadhana at Tarapith he was initiated by Bhama Kepa in the burning grounds. Regarding Kankali Tala only Nabani was a known Baul to do sadhana there, he was a regular and revived and kept the Shakti of that temple alive. The villagers titled him Khyapa Baul and Khyapa Baba. Many other self-titled Das Baul's knew about Nabani and used to hang outside the temple singing the songs of this lineage, many to attract unsuspecting fools.
Baul and Tantra is only related to this lineage and not all Bauls follow the path of Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and Babu Kishan these shakti peeths are not a tourist destination for nakal expansionist Baul actors to just use the association of this lineages lived stories, take their names off and just throw it out there as generic a cultural homogenization of the real lived stories converted to random stories of the fake Bauls.
This is insidious and a very subtle intellectual indigenous property theft, you would not even know unless someone else knew the history like Babu Kishan does because he has preserved Baul over 60 years. He lived it right along side of his Grandpa Guru and his father Purna Das Baul he is the eldest of his generation, the eldest of all the Bauls right now. He may not where a custom, he is unassuming, accomplished, an award winning Indian Music Composer and who has a special expertise in Baul songs, Baul Poets, Baul Kirtans and the Folk Music of India, he has recorded more Folk Music super stars and categorized the Folk Music of India for all the big record companies of India. This is of interest because he knows who is singing what and who has poached the Baul songs from his lineage.
There are so many things this lineage is a first and last at doing as part of their already lived Baul history, their association, temples, Indian cinema, and pioneering Baul outside India.
Their history has been wiped clean and claimed by nakal pretendian fake Bauls as random stories. It is important that these non-indigenous Bauls are called out, because Baul is being used and abused to agenda's and the Ma and Baba fake Guru business.
The cultural icon of India over since the 1950's legacy and Nabani Das Khyapa Baul legacy along with Brajabala Dasi, Radharani Dasi, Manju Das and at the very least 13 generations to the 14th and 15th century is either being erased, name dropped, copied, poached as a part of fake lineage. This story must be told it has gone on for too long, Sri Sri was never part of Baul.
WE LIVE IN A POST TRUTH-ERA.
The actual Bengali term that has been used for fake Bauls is Nakal Baul, a term that implies imitation, copying or faking Baul. Or Jaiyat Baul is a term that can imply, fake, artificial or pretentious.
In English charlatan a person who falsely claims to have knowledge, skills or expertise. Pretender Someone who claims to have qualities of achievements they don't actually possess.
A plagiarist is someone who passes off others' work, ideas or intellectual property as their own.
An Imposter is a person who pretends to be someone they are not or claims to have qualities they don't possess.
Fake is a person who falsely claims to have a particular identity, skill or achievement.
'Nakal Baul' creates Cultural exploitation, they are outside of Baul and pretending they are inside, they do not understand the nuances of Baul. They exploit Baul cultural practices, poems, say Baul does not care who the poets are, lyrics, tune, songs, Kirtans, dance, dress, style, instruments, their history of where have gone and what indigenous ancestral Bauls have already accomplished as a matter of the survival of their owned lineage, their Baul history full and final, all their firsts and lasts. They exploit Baul spirituality for their own gain, without proper understanding, respect, or compensation to the indigenous people they took the information from, such as stealing Babu Kishan's songs, and the songs of this lineage, and what has been written as to their lived stories is poached. This is a serious problem and perhaps they thought nobody was watching because nobody said anything for so long. Time is up, it is time to reclaim Baul, preserve Baul authentically, and bring Baul back to the indigenous inner roots!
Loss of traditional knowledge, the influx of external influences erodes traditional Baul practices, music and their cultural heritage which their ancestors gave up their lives for hundreds if not thousands of years to protect and preserve.
Cultural Homogenization, I use the term making Baul random and generic. The unique identity of the indigenous Bauls is threatened by Nakal Baul who destroys their identity by acting out Baul and knowing nothing of the nuances that make one a Baul. This disrupts, marginalizes the social fabric and dynamics that are Baul.
This is an example for others in India who are now trying to reclaim their indigenous ancestral rights and traditions. For indigenous people this is a fundamental right of all indigenous traditions, to self-determine who they are without self-titled experts and fake pretendian Baul destroying, waterdown, reducing who Baul is? There has been too much fakery going on since this lineage made Baul popular, too many talking who are not from Baul, but decided Baul was a good way to collect donations, people and fundraise for big financial jackpots to preserve Baul, when Baul has already been preserved for the past 60 years in every way by Krishnendu Das Baul aka Babu Kishan.
Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das Baul in his 4th book on Baul to be released soon. A comprehensive historical dialogue on how to ask the necessary questions so that can determine accurately for yourself, who is an authentic Baul or Guru in general, how to get past false narratives and to the truth, for you to decide, that is real freedom and self-realization, not building anything a cult of personality. Build it for yourself, not for some random fake representative of enlightenment.
Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das, has no part of this article, yes he read it, and he is angry mostly at me he does not want their name on his blog, because he says I am promoting these 2 nakal Bauls. He knows who Sanatan Das Baul was all too well, he knows all the stories. He doesn't want their names near his lineage, or associated with his name, because of the theft of his lineages songs, dance, style and the attempted murder of his father.
He say's I am degrading this lineage by even mentioning their names, unequivocally they are not Baul. He will address it further when our book is completely published, we can not release anymore songs or explain completely without a complete copyright, because it will be poached, so until the book is released we main silent on more of why, who and how.
I do not always listen to my husband and I feel this is necessary to protect others from this cult of personalty and acting. I think this is important for people to know. What you do with this information is up to you, if you remain blind there is nothing anybody can do.
Thus, the blog post is here only for a limited time.
It will be archived and only the part that is in his 4th book is the poisoning and attempted murder of Babu Kishan's father, at Monohar Kepa's ashram in Kenduli Birbhum W Bengal. This murder attempt the poisoning happened during the Joy Dev Mela in the 1970's and the culprit was Sanatan Das Baul aka Sri Sri blah blah blah just a poor man who suffered due to partition and needed a way to survive, it is not that there is not compassion there, but this propaganda that is being pushed today by his student shows is a perfect example of how a Guru effect the results of a student and how important it is better not to have a Guru than to have a fake Guru.
This part must remain part of Baul history because his student is spreading lies and continuing the assassination of this lineage by intellectual property theft, indigenous theft and indigenous fraud to be more accurate. Now Calling Baul Samarat (Padma Shree) with a handful of President Awards a Shilipi Baul?
The rest of this research of Baul is my research (Trishula Das) over a 20 years period, because of my obsessive interest in the Cult mentality since the 1970's, and this new phenomena I will never understand the sway of social media fake fame.
This is the critique of R Rodham and Parvathy B?
Babu Kishan has made it very clear to me he has no interest in hearing anything about them or listening to what they are saying. He can't listen to someone who does not really know anything about regarding Baul. He just can't hear the stupidity. In today's world we are more enlightened about indigenous intellectual property theft and fake Guru's over the past 30 at the very least it has been the topic of documentaries where people have been seriously damaged and looted.
Baul history and her-story are at an extreme sensitive point in time and most people would say there is no more Baul. That is somewhat true and the last thing Baul needs is a savior of Baul a fake Baul twising narratives and abusing the history of Baul to fit their collection of people. It is spin spin spin just like politics today, spin spin spin of the intellectual property of this one and only lineage, the lineage who brought Baul to all of India and worldwide, through the teaching of Baul, and as Cultural representatives of India worldwide since the 1950's.
Baul at this sensitive point in time, as all indigenous people are and their traditions are under threat from outside forces pretending to be Baul the real Shilpi Bauls, Baul actors, fake Bauls from fake Baul lineages.
The videos presented by these 2 fake Baul artists and actors the real shilpi Bauls is reductionism and the watering down of Baul, they do not know the nuances, they have been stealing the intellectual property of this lineage for decades, we have said nothing, but give hints, it is insane that people are so surface, a few people have noticed but the general public has fed into this blatant rip off of Baul, as one Baul called these are the "fake it til you make it' Bauls who ride on the coattails of this lineage.
Babu Kishan does not want me to speak out, he says everybody knows who they are. I do not believe so, there is a whole new generation of young people being mislead down a cultish path, there time wasted and they are being lied to. As an elder person who has had a keen interest in Cult Watch and the mind virus of Cults, I can no longer let this go unqualified. This article is a long one, it could be a whole book as I have documented this phenom regarding Baul for 20 years.
Go on making false narratives that show your lack of nuance regarding Baul because this is just the beginning, all will be exposed and I have enough material to prove who you are.
She is so out of tune, it hurts Babu Kishan's ears, the ear drums of oral Sanskrit-ist, a inborn successful award winning Music Composer when he was 11 years old. By the way Babu Kishan recorded the tunes for many of the Baul songs stolen, the intellectual property of this lineage and many are his lyrics and Nabani Das Baul lyrics. He composed music for and recorded over 80% Purna Das Baul music. If you steal it or have taken it you will be called out.
Every Baul nuance is wrong. Babu Kisha can tell he has worked in Indian Cinema for 40 years and is a Indian Music Composer he knows all the actresses, he know the game, he is a adept at face reading he can see right through who is a good actor and who is not, he can take one look and see who is who, and he has been doing this since the 1970's the only problem is he always has mercy for people even people who steal his life work. I do not have mercy though.
He says she is 100% (not) a Baul and has always said oh well let it go. No way, I am not letting this one go, it has been let go for too long and has to be exposed, with no mercy. I am from the west, I have been practicing yoga since the 1970's I have seen it all, I have seen the damage and abuse by people who have come from India and the ignorance of the west regarding Yoga, Bhakti Yoga, Kirtan, and especially Tantra. These 2 are not humble but look humble it is an act, they like a certified yoga teacher, who knows enough to create some sort of attention, can name drop but didn't actually do the sadhana or put in the time 24/7 with a authentic Baul Guru, who knows what attracts people the jata (dread locks) in this case are the gimmick. They know and have poaches just enough fluff to dupe people and by the way her Guru never was a Baul.
The goal of Babu Kishan's new book is to teach you how to ask the questions on what is a real Baul and what is not. If you don't know the questions to ask you will never know who is real and who is not, and part of knowing is understanding the real history and her-story of Baul so that you are armed with the Yoga of Baul and ready to not be duped.
Their advertising story looks great on the outside, oh she is so humble, well lets critique a bit of this actor acting out humility, acting as the Baul ready to be ordained a Saint by a Guru who is of a questionable story. You need to do research specifically asking for controversy regarding this Guru and his associations.
Babu Kishan does not endorse "that women" in anyway, and does not give her permission to poach his songs, or the songs of this lineage and re-record them. He says an authentic Baul knows who the poets are.
A soul who follow the crowd will get no further than the crowd. Babu Kishan is an expert at Purva Paksha and knowing who is real and who in not in the Guru business, more on that later.
Babu Kishan knew her Guru, Sanatan Das Baul, and says he is not a Baul. He copied everything from his grandfather (Guru) Nabani Das Khyapa Baul who did not like Sanatan.
Her Guru had an extreme jealousy of Babu Kishan's father, 'Baul Samarat, Pandit, Purna Das Baul now in his 90's. This jealousy was because millions of people would come and see Purna Das Baul. Purna Das Baul was the first and last famous indigenous ancestral Baul singer. The Baul singer and this lineage songs that all random fake Baul singers copied. They copied his songs, voice style, his dress, where he went and what he did, they all copied 'Das Baul' self-titling themselves, they are still wearing the colourful patchwork dress that Babu Kishan designed for his dad, yes even Sanatana not (Das Baul) wore Babu Kishan's designed dress.
Purna Das Baul now in his 90's was also the most famous India Vocalist in the 1960's, and onward outside of India, they traveled and were close friends with Sitarist Pandit Ravi Shankar, Ali Akbar Khan, Zakir Husain and the whole classical music contingent who represented India outside of India, Purna Das Baul was the first famous Indian vocalist outside of India and inside of India, he was always a special guest to all the major Gurus of India and PM Indira Gandhi and other Presidents and PM of India, this family was especially close to the late President of India Pranab Mukherjee in more than one way .
The murder attempt on Baul Samrat Purna Das Baul.
The Poisoning of Baul Samrat (Padma Shri) Pandit Purna Das Baul, the son of Nabani Das Khyapa Baul. In all of Baul history Purna Das Baul is the most famous Baul singer, in his day they did not internet let alone 'social media fake fame'. He is an indigenous Baul born in Ekachakra Birbhum W Bengal during in 1930's and into his (90's) recognized by many Presidents of India and highly celebrated Cultural history of India.
Through Nabani Das Khyapa Baul, his eldest son Purna Das Baul, and Purna's eldest son raised by Nabani until Nabanis passing in 1969 Krishnendu Das Baul aka Babu Kishan who without no one in this world would know anything about Baul. Today their legacy, lendary stories, history, their intellectual property is under threat by fakes who have no shame in poaching their lived lives, stories songs, where they have done decades of Sadhana and the only Baul ever to be associated with Tarapith, KanKali Tala, Rabindranath Tagore, Ramakrishna Mission, Vivekananada, on and on and the west teaching Baul in the west since the 1970's not just music but these Baul in every sense. Om Goodness the audacity to try to claim their Baul history by making up a shadow history based on lies and all their associations. The nerve to call Purna Das Baul a shilpi Baul pushed me over the limit, I can not sit her and just take these lies anymore.
This lineage has been stolen, reworked and presented as a new lineage of fakery and lies, with their names taken off or name dropped?
Truth Talk, a Satya (truth) even rebel truth that goes against social media fame, is revealed, for the sake of the indigenous ancestral history of correct preservation of Baul, free from false narratives to collect, dupe, funding of financial jackpots, donation through false narratives and fake Bauls.
This is where the story of Purna Das Baul and how jealousy is dangerous for someone who has millions of people loving, listening to and the creation of fame. This story is part of Baul history, and gets sad and very dangerous because of jealousy. There is a pattern repeating itself here, it may not be death through poisoning, but death of an ancient indigenous ancestry historical lineage through lies and fakery, and the theft of their legacy and indigenous intellectual property, the intellectual wisdoms they have preserved for more that 13 generations and Babu Kishan has preserved his whole life of more that 60 years?
'Sanatan Das Baul' felt so much malice towards Purna Das Baul he orchestrated an attempted to murder of Purna Das Baul by poisoning him. Yes, the same late Sanatan Das Baul who is celebrated as Sri Sri and is used by social media fake famed Parvathy B?
Sanatan Das Baul almost succeeded killing him, it was horrible, can you imagine trying to survive a vicious poisoning murder attemp? The police were in involved at a very high level, and they wanted to charge Sanatan Das Baul with murder, they were going to charge him as he sat in jail.
After a long deliberation and very lucky for him, Manju Das the wife of Purna Das Baul had a change of heart and convinced the police to let Santan Das Baul go. Sanatan Das Baul was the culprit. Sanatan Das Baul (who is not a real Baul) a self-titled Baul, decided it would cause damage to his wife and kids and didn't press charges, I would say that is very generous. The same Manju Das who is the first Women Baul to travel the world, but yet has had her legacy twisted when Parvathy Baul claimed her position in Baul history as the first Women Baul to travel the outside of India?
It seems very odd how at all costs Parvathy B (that Women as she shall be called now) has been using the intellectual property of this lineage, yet, in the past has taken their names off the stories claiming everything this lineage has already completed as full and final Baul history. Does anybody actual do research, the answer is no, people today are swayed by emotion, charm, the jata gimick, smiley people with no essence or nuances of Baul.
Until this past video by Rodham's who is "that Women's" partner speaking about Baul cherry picked from this lineage and this blog, telling stories only Babu Kishan has told?
He uses a picture of Purna Das Baul on the video but calls him a shilpi Baul, how dare he. He slides into his fake mish-mashed false narratives of trying to attract people, collect people and funds for their fake lineage, fake Baul Guru. He has the audacity to call Purna Das Baul shilpi Baul which is sort of a slang towards any Baul. When no one would even know about Baul with Purna Das Baul and the work they have done teaching Baul worldwide, why do you think Baul became to popular and the focus of Academic Scholars worldwide, and book writers worldwide, it is only because of Purna Das Baul because he is Baul Samarat the name given to him by a President of India and all the Bauls, and before him his father Nabani Das Khyapa Baul? (remember Purna Das Baul is now in his 90's) and unable to defend himself, this is more disturbing than anything, this has awakened and angered my husband who is Purna Das Baul's eldest son and is part of all the Baul history, yet his name has been completely deleted from Baul history and he then is angered at me for writing about this, but, I do not like liars and cheaters or fake Guru's they have destroyed and invaded North America for too, long. We don't need any more fakes.
Purna Das Baul had to stop attending the 'Joy Dev Mela' because of this murder attempt and the threat to his life, after that he was given huge security because he was a celebrated Cultural icon of India who sang at the opening of Indira Gandhi Speeches and Rajiv Gandhi's speeches, because Nabani Das Khyapa Baul as part of the Freedom Movement was recruited by Nehru to sing before his speeches, and Nabani Das Khyapa Baul (a strong Tantric and last Baul Avadhut) had pulling power, he sang at the angaeration of Indian in 1947. Yet, this uneducated student now Sri Sri feels he has the right to poach stories directly of this blog or our websites and call Purna Das Baul so flipantly as if he is an authority on Baul a shilipi Baul. More than anything they are destroying Baul history?
Understand Rodham is using shilipi Baul which is used in a derogatory sense, it is so obvious, the goal is to intellectual property theft. It is essential to recognize that the term 'Shilipi Baul can be stigmatizing and its use can perpetuate negative stereotypes. Buy you knew this now called Sri Sri Ramachandra Rohdham, you called Purna Das Baul a shilipi Baul, and exalt Sanatan Das Baul as a Baul saint when you know it is all a lie, you are duping people and disgusting to give false narratives to elevate yourself. You talk about Tarapith and Kankali Tali shakti peeth when Nabani Das Khyapa Baul was the only authentic Baul Guru who actually has done real Baul sadhana and was associated with these Shakti peeth as a Baul Avadhut? Because, I have written about this on this blog and on my website which you have looted.
Shilipi is a street artist, a wandering minstrel of a lower class or caste.
- Of a lower social class: The term might be used to suggest that the person is from a marginalized or lower-caste background
- A street performer or beggar: The term might imply that the person is someone who performs on the streets or begs for alms, rather than being a respected artist or musician.
- Lacking in refinement or education: The term might be used to suggest that the person is uneducated or lacking in cultural refinement.
Purna Das Baul had to have a huge amount of security, he drew crowds in the millions not because he was a shilpi Baul? Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and then Purna Das Baul were always until the poisoning,the main attraction, the reason why Bauls and Gosia showed up. Sad, disturbing by absolutely true. They were the only reason over the past century that the Joy Dev Mela in Kenduli Birbhum remained popular and their ancestors since the temple started in the 12th century have kept the temple and memory of Joy Dev alive as they are the only Vaishnava Sahajiya Bauls? Not Sanatan Das Baul he is not from there, his ancestors were not Baul, they may have been something else, but he only started Baul by watching Nabani Das Baul and copying everything from Purna Das Baul. You can not make this up and why would you. It is a stain on Baul history. Parvathy should be ashamed of herself furthering this toxic time, I guess it is really true the shishy will be like the Guru, one has to be careful who you chose as Guru because associations are repeated.
It is necessary to 'tell the truth' for far too long this one and only Baul lineage has been silent through all the poaching of their songs, stories, way of life, dress, dance, and musical instruments, where they go and what they have accomplished, Purna Das Baul has been silent he is inner he let his wife and eldest son do everything, Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das worked for his father as a Music Composer, composing 80% if his fathers most famous music, the Baul music copied and re-recorded by the pretendian Bauls. The intellectual theft has been ignored and after watching for 20 years and more recently it has become viral, you do what you want with this information, but it is the truth and only a critique of 2, there are many others to be critiqued also.
Disclaimer; this blog post is written, researched over 2 decades on all aspects of the one and only pioneering lineage by me Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das Baul wife that is why my last name is Das it is not a title I gave myself and Trishula is the name Babu Kishan gave me on the banks of the Ganges in Hardwar outside my Anandamayi Ma's ashram, I have been a devottee of Anandmayi Ma since the 1980's she is my Guru along with Neem Karoli Baba who I have been connected too since the 1980's. I was surprised when Krishnendu aka Babu Kishan told of his Baul families relationship with Anandamayi Ma and his own personal relationship over a long period of time, this lineage of Bauls are the only Bauls to have anything association with Anandamayi Ma or Sita Ram Omkarnath, no other Bauls knew them or associated with them. Babu Kishan calls me his 'writer fighter, probably because I am a martial artist with a sword. My name is Sandra Trishula Das I am an eternal researcher, a Vedic Astrologer, Photographer, blogger for over 50 years. I have had careers in the business world, print media, and the travel industry, I has spent decades practicing, learning, researching and experimenting with shamanism, past life regressions, hypnosis, yoga nidra, trance, mind and have been doing an avid study of Cults and mind control and because I have researched since the 1970's I can see a cult mentality in the making regarding Baul. Time to wake up and call this out their tenacles as spokes people for Baul must stop.
Pictue to be provided later.
Trishula Das outside of Anandamayi Ma's ashram, looking in at her Samadhi 2007 she was a real Saint. Today, nobody knows what a saint is they just throw it around. If someone calls you a Saint, run. Nabani Das Khyapa Baul was the last Baul Saint he left in 1969, no one now is a Baul Avadhut, what an insult to even suggest that, the ego and arrogance are astounding, the fishing and hunting for followers is a sickness masquerading as fake humility.
No I am not a Baul how can I be, how could I have the audacity to title myself as 'Baul' even after 20 years with an authentic Baul Guru who does not want to sell his inner Baul to anyone. I am not indigenous to Baul that is the first point and question. Is the person presenting themselves as a Baul even indigenous to Baul, and was their Sri Sri Baul Guru even a Baul, we know he poached this whole indigenous family, but who was his Guru and how many generations did he have behind him, this is of the utmost importance in determining who is Baul? You have to learn the questions to ask, before you understand who is a fake and who is authentic and it is not judged by dress, dread locks, personality, smile it is judged by actions, not on camera, or when in a performance because anybody can learn to do Baul dance and singing, just like anybody can learn to act.
My martial arts Sifu used to get annoyed when someone perfected some style and acted with ego, he said anybody can learn this, it is your character that counts, what are your intentions, do you steal and tell lies, this is more important than learning a technique and bragging or lying.
Once you lie, steal or cheat you karma is destroyed as your character is destroyed. Does the person acting out Baul really have the indigenous authority or inherent right to use Baul making up false narratives, you may get away with it for awhile but sooner or later your actions will catch up with you, or don't have a conscience and it just does not matter I think that is called psychopath, these type always have a smile on their face, an inauthentic smile that is acted out because they learned to do this as part of performance. No any non-indigenous person to Baul does not have a right to indigenous intellectual property according to the United Nations indigenous rights to self-determination.
I have listened 24/7 documenting, researching everything about Baul for 20 years very closely, they ruin it for all the other Bauls who are just simple performers in the village, the ones that can really sing and have talent whether Baul or not. Babu Kishan has always loved talent and was successful in developing talent in Indian Cinema for 40 years, he worked with all the actors, producers, singers, film-makers and musicians, music composers. He inner world is Baul as he is indigenous to it, his Guru is Nabani Das Khyapa Baul from birth, he can multitask, he is more Baul, he lives Baul everyday and is an energetic fire that I have never felt from anyone in the world.
He does not collect followers, he works in a mystical way healing people and doing all sorts of invisible things silently, this is Baul. He has taught Baul since he was born, silently to a group of people nobody is know about. He does not and never has shown his power. He just does what he does.
I have read and collected, all the books, academic papers, internet, advertisements, youtube videos, magazine articles, newspaper writings, as I have a great translator, although many times he has railed against me, but I am can't help it, I am an eternal search for the truth, I don't like fake people or liars and I love my husband.
Babu Kishan does not want to be associated or even have his name or his families name Purna Das Baul or Nabani Das Khyapa Baul on their videos or used by these 2 fakes, he says there is no comparison between his lineage and these hawker scammer Bauls.
This has not been easy for me to write and Babu Kishan has asked me not to use, 'that women's name on his blog. However I believe she must be called out, many like her, that is your prerogative. I believe the audience has not been educated on what is real Baul and what is not, they just believe anything they see, however, know the lineage is not a lineage, her Guru is not a Baul Guru, her dance Ektara, Baya (duggi) the drum tied around her waist and her ankle bells are Nabani Das khyapa Baul style appropriated from this lineage. They did not come from her any other source. The songs she sings are mostly copied from this lineage with no credit ever given.
As a matter of fact everything she does, everywhere she goes is directly copied from this lineage. As you read along and it is a long read I ask you to use your intellect, discrimination and understand a huge appropriation and making this lineage random and generic has been underway for a long time now. This is what has lead to the marginalization of the indigenous Bauls. This is what has watered down and reduced Baul, not folk songs and not the lack of practice. Baul has always been secret, this article gives you a hint as to why Baul was secret.
There is no association between indigenous ancestral Baul Gosia Chand and her or her man or her Guru who tried to murder Babu Kishan's father, he got away with it, because of mercy, however, you have to know this story it is part of Baul history and I am not feeling any mercy anymore, Babu Kishan well he may feel differently, however, I heard the story from him and it wasn't a pleasant poisoning.
Bengal when Babu Kishan grew up there was a spiritual giant, today it is a spiritual dwarf, because of lying, cheating and the lack of authentic sadhikas (females) or male (sadhaka's) or upasika's, regarding Baul.
Baul or Baulini, everybody today wants instant fame, to travel the world and live the life, and is fundraising for a financial jackpot through social media, they are all actors. Nothing wrong with any of this but to use and indigenous ancestral marginalized lineage to do it is a sin. 'That women has not got a clue about Baul, every video I have listened to there are some holes, many holes and generalizations, even I know more that her, that still does not make me a Baul, I will never be a Baul.
All I can say is I am a spiritual researcher. I have to laugh in 2005 I went to Europe as a tour assistant with one of Neem Karoli Baba's first American disciples to help with the kirtan tour I brought a suit case full of books to study Jyotish in our spare time. No funny business with me research, sadhana, and learning all the time. I had many deep experiences around Neem Karoli Baba for decades but they were so vivid and real at this time.
I have so many deep personal stories to tell. When I met Babu Kishan 20 years ago, I showed up with the trunk of my car full of Indian spiritual books and made him go through them all with me, he just looked at me and said these book have all of our Indian information in then, they were mostly written by westerner copied from Indian texts. From Babu Kishan I learned to hear the story and remember it and oh man if I can't remember, he will say I told you, don't ask me again.
His wisdom is coming from some other place, he is directly connected to his Guru, Nabani lives inside of him. He won't tell me again, it is a one time and then he tests me. His Guru's did not make it easy on him, it wasn't always a pleasant experience. Because of my interest, he has downloaded everything about Baul that I can understand, as a western I have my limits, but I have learned more than I ever wanted to.
https://lineagebaul.blogspot.com/2025/02/indigenous-identity-theft-indigenous.html
https://indiafolkheritageofbengal.weebly.com/cultural-misappropriation.html
There are not 20,000 Bauls in India that is the biggest lie ever told and this can be verified. No he is no Sri Sri, his title is Rodham form south Indian who only drifted to Baul in 2012 can you imagine, has already made wild claims, name dropping and has poached a story about Nabani Das Khyapa Baul that was only ever told by Babu Kishan, this is the character you are watching on videos plastered all over the internet.
The intellectual property is not up for grabs any more, the character of others has been shown, poaching is not a great character trait, it is stealing and if one is saying they are from a Yoga Parampara one should not steal the intellectual property from this lineage or anywhere.
This lineage only has been associated with Rabindranath Tagore, and their ancestor is Nityananda of Ekachakra Birbhum, you should not be using any of these names as part of your story because you are not related to this lineage and are a know intellectual property thief. Nityanada Gosia is a different lineage, it is this lineage who only kept and knew his stories and kept them alive, why do you feel so entitled to use someone else's ancestry.
Do you not have your own ancestry try using that instead of poaching everything from this lineage watering it down and destroying the nuances, that you most certainly always leave out. Who are your ancestors, what did they do, talk about that. We are not going to teach you because you are not to be trusted, just keep acting?
This lineage is Gosai Chand or Chandra Das Baul and Dasi.
There is no other lineage, if your Guru or others are using Das Baul and Dasi they have copied it from this lineage as they have copied all this lineage songs, kirtans, and Baul Bhakti and Baul Tantra, yoga.
The pretendian fake Bauls are using and abusing the intellectual property of this lineage, this has been going on for a long time. I am here to protect and clarify what no indigenous Baul has wanted to say because they are disgusted and do not want to be associated with this hucksters. They are spreading misinformation I can only think trying to dupe people into joining them?
The thing that makes Baul unique is that thy never collect people. As Rodham said on one video, come and join us?
A authentic Baul naturally attracts in a natural and spontaneous way, they never say come join us?
Baul is on its last legs, because of fakery, watering down, and reductionism by Baul actors (shilpi Bauls) 'you' and they dare to call Baul Samarat (Padma Shree) a shilpi Baul with no shame, just pure arrogance and matter of fact, well here I go. No matter how Babu Kishan feels about his father, he will always love him and he is from this lineage, he is the son of Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and knows more than you will ever know, he just doesn't teach it to people like you, he hold Baul closely as does Babu Kishan.
They are actors Pretending, they are holier than thou, oh and she is Saint, a Baul Avadhut, give me a break, character, character tells you who someone is? Baul is on its last legs, because of Parvathy B (that woman) and people like her. The very person who is now trying to fundraise to preserve Baul, when she has completely appropriated this lineage but without the essence and nuances, those she will never get, unless she poaches them from our book, it hasn't stopped her in the past. Now is the time to tell the truth, I don't care if she has a thousand likes, if you think she is authentic because she has many followers on fb, Babu Kishan always says to me in his Baul way, prostitutes have more, I know that sound crude, he says it means nothing, she can have millions of people it means nothing if you do not have character.
Time rules, but love wins. by Babu Kishan, this is his old saying.
Let everybody have their time, character will create karma and they will have to live their karma.
You have things or not the main thing is Kali Ma and Krishna/Radha are with you.
1st tenant - of Baul, Satya, tell the truth at all costs.
2nd tenant - of Baul be none stealing, that includes stealing the intellectual property of others and this lineage of ancestral indigenous Bauls, their songs, style, dance, instruments, where they go, what they have done?
' That women' who is claiming that people think Baul songs are Folk songs, lol in the past she advertised herself as a Folk Singer? At the same time that Babu Kishan was talking about folk music, because he is a expert, academically and because he has compose music for the biggest Folk Singers of Bengal and in Indian Cinema, the biggest Folk singers of India. He has categorized all the folk music of India for all the big recording companies of Bombay. He is a folk hero, but that has nothing to do with Baul. Perhaps she though oh that is a good thing to add to her repertoire, just as she has added everything else from this lineage and Babu Kishan's life.
The only thing he lived it, he was a monk in the Ramakrishna mission for 12 years 24/7 in sadhana and learning. There is a big difference in reading book and mommy and daddy were devotee's, how on earth does that association come through when you are using the ancestry of this lineage and family but that your mommy and daddy exposed you to Ramakrishna all of sudden mean you are associated with Ramakrishna.
Babu Kishan is the only Baul associated with Ramakrishna Mission that is part of this lineages Baul history, and what about Indian Cinema, and Babu Kishan's career teaching at Universities, as his wife it is so obvious, stop copying my husbands like trying to make lose associations as if you actually did the work. This really anger me and it is so obvious, get lost, stop poaching his songs. People need to know all this, they need to know your real character, not just your acting innocent act.
However, in the end he is the only expert on Baul songs and Baul kirtans, because he recorded them all and categorized them all, he worked with all the old Bauls, spiritual Gurus and folk singers across India, he is the expert on Indian music and knows who is good and who is not.
Picture to be provided at a later date
Baul is only going extinct, because of people like you (fake pretendian hunter Bauls) who steal the intellectual property of this lineage and where you can.
LOL I listened to the video 'Baul and Tantra' what a mishmash of playing authority so slanted there are no nuances about Baul Tantra and historical Baul Tantra, this is a travel info commercial a touching on every as many aspects of Bengal and as many spiritual traditions to show how qualifed this person is not. Listen I will tell you, there is authentic lived Baul history and there is fake made up trying to be this what this lineage has lived. This is what is going on with these 2 they are trying to be everything this lineage has already accomplished as lived Baul history. They do not know any of the nuances of Baul, it is an act. The gaul to say, Purna Das Baul is a shilipi Baul, is a back handed back slap, unbelievable and how dare you.
You have no right to even talk about Purna Das Baul, your so-called, self-titled Guru tried to murder Purna Das Baul. This story has to be everywhere and Babu Kishan has way more stories where that came from about your Guru. You do know that Babu Kishan knew Sanatan (Das Baul)? You can fool some of the people for a time but, you have gone over the line.
After poaching from this blog, and this lineages songs, dress and Nabani Das Khyapa Baul songs and style you are banned from using any intellectual property or songs from this lineage.
You didn't serious think what she is presenting has not been poached from this lineage did you?
The songs "that women" has already poached will have to be accounted for, because we can not allow this use anymore. We are going public to tell the truth.
Get ready that is all I can say.
Do not use Baul, because you are not a Baul and have misused Baul for a long time now.
You are using Baul to make money, you do not have any Baul essence or even know the nuances of Baul. Baul is failing, because you are stealing the intellectual property of this lineage and reworking it, watering it down, reducing the intellectual indigenous property, as an indigenous intellectual theft, and indigenous Fraud.
Baul is not failing, because this lineage brought Baul to all of India, and worldwide. You are twisting narratives without knowing the history of Baul, you take bits and pieces and have created a smear campaign against all the work of Babu Kishan, Purna Das Baul and Nabani Das Khyapa Baul have already completed as Baul history. They did not create a platform for Baul so that you could destroy it, or use for your hawker business. It is all acting.
Nobody can be as perfectly syrupy acting humbler than thought as these fakes, the comments that are left on their videos are always the same, such love and devotion.
Baul was always a bit contradictory, paradoxical, truth talking at all costs?
Today Baul is all marketing, who can tell the taller tail, and look like the authority on Baul. The fake Guru business of which Babu Kishan has watched for decades all over India, and has qualified these people, he knows the techniques to do so, the questions to ask and he will be doing this in the near future, there must be debate and someone who actually knows what is going on to speak out.
Bauls pushed the limit on reality, conservatism and on rhetoric, they never lied fake or liars and had their techniques to call them out.
Bauls were honest at all costs, they are full of metaphor, paradox, riddle, and allegory, they only associated with the top intellects and always did seva to the villagers of Birbhum.
No seva no Baul, not getting other to do seva (service) for you, getting them to touch your feet and exalt you? That is the opposite of Baul. Just a little hint when someone calls you a Saint, never believe them, there is a reason for that, either you are being tested or they want something for you, you may be good business for them. If you are any kind of tantric that is the sign to run as fast as yo can. The character of people is important.
Bauls are the greatest of intellects and philosophers, it has been watered down to the dust of garbage of false narratives by hawkers who want Sri Sri exhaled Maa and Baba status, they want to fundraise to preserve Baul when Baul has already been preserved by Krishnendu Das Baul aka Babu Kishan or 60 years.
A Baul never wants blind followers to worship them, or touch their feet demanding respect as Baba or maa which is a get rich quick scheme or fake it til you make it, while riding on the coattails of this lineage?
What is going on is pure bull shit, there is no other way to say it.
These grifters want you to be stupid, they want you think they are the saviours of Baul, going to do what Vivekananda did, that time is over. Baul has been in America almost full time since the 1960's. Baul lives her now, it is just Baul does not work that way, Baul is different from what is propogated as Baul today,
They are 100% the reason for the destruction of Baul, not folk music, not because Bauls love music, but because of the fake pretendian hawker Bauls who have sold out Baul which never belonged to them.
Baul is going extinct because of the fake pretendian hawkers who are not even Baul. They are not indigenous to Baul, they have marginalized Baul and killed Baul. Bauls are an energetic fire and now a meow, look how humble and sweet I am, meow, a giggle stupid smiley group.
Babu Kishan has been teaching at Universities around the world and doing Cultural Programs as a representative of India through ICCR and Sangeet Natak Academi since the early 1970's even today he still does cultural programs time permitting. The west does not need any more fake Guru Baba and Ma wanna be's?
It was Purna Das Baul and Laxshman Das who sang for Bhaktivendanta Prabhupada in 1967 in Central Park.
Prabhupada knew this family, he knew Babu Kishan grandfathers Nabani Das Khapa Baul and Jogesh Dash who was a professor of Sanskrit from Dhaka University. This lineage and Gaudiya Math were tied together though this lineages ancestor Nita or Nityananda of Ekachakra Birbhum We Bengal where all the ancestors of this lineages bone are. This lineage has fundraised for Gaudiya Math for hundreds of year. The Vaishnava Sahajiya Bauls of Birbhum are indigenous to the soul and soil of Birbhum. An indigenous Baul can only self-determine who is Baul.
Baul is (vayu tula) Baul was never called 'siddha acharya's' or Baul Master. Why, do you feel you can altar what Baul is?
This lineage of Baul is Gosia Chand Das Baul and Dasi and is only this lineage that of Nityanada of Ekachakra. Lineage assumes ancestral as in 13 generations going back to Nityananda of Ekachakra. Today, no other Bauls are related to this one and only lineage. Certainly not Parvathy and her Rodham.
The dis-information and cherry picking by these too is banned from this blog, or any of our material, including all the songs, which you have stolen many. She (that women) looks innocent and speaks softly but that is an act. Time is up, we have no association with them and their false narratives.
Please stop stealing the intellectual property of this lineage and making up lies.
'That women' is still teaching false teachings that there are 4 types of Baul Aul Sai Dervish Fakir? These are Islamic terms, another incorrect wrong teaching, it was copied from 'BabuKishan.com' in the early somewhere up until 2006 and later written from his old website notes in Calcutta copied and pasted by Silina who wrote Baul Philosophy copy and pasting Babu Kishan notes without his permission into the book Baul Philosophy, you know the book you copied the title of every chapter as to what you were going to teach in a workshop? That is beyond bizarre, yup I caught and documented that one.
BabuKishan.com was the firs Baul website everybody copied from it is where the fake Baul such as this one first learned about Baul, unfortunately Babu Kishan lost that website in 2006, due to the death of his webmaster Mary Johnson. There are 4 types of Baul was added incorrectly, because everybody copied everything from Babu Kishan's website at the time it spread far and wide, all Bauls copied without any discrimination'. Obviously Parvathy Baul didn't get the message, she is repeating false narrative over and over, this is not accurate? She is trying to put every wandering person from Bengal under the Baul umbrella, as she has read in books. Honestly, she changes faster than anything I have seen, or documented over 2 decades.
I think we need to put more fake implants in our Baul, this way we can identify who is copying and who is not, I think that is a good idea to sift out the grifters.
Only this lineage made Baul popular, BabuKishan's 4th book will explain accurately 'Baul history'. He has been teaching Baul all over the world since the 1967's in cultural programs, at universities, temples, yoga studio's, community halls.
They did not just sing songs and Babu Kishan who is expert in all of Indian music as a accomplished award winning Indian Music Composer knows the difference between Baul, Bhajan, Kirtan and all of the spiritual music of India, he know who can sing and who can not sing correctly, who are the Baul poets and where the music came from, who is poaching what songs. Do not play over smart with him because he knows every song you have poached, he is the only expert left.
Folk songs have no destroyed Baul, fake pretendian hawkster Baul have, people faking Baul and teaching the wrong narratives have, hmm that looks like you. Don't blame the hippies of the west, all the fake Bauls sit around like daddy cool smoking marijuana today, however, I am sure you know this because you are acting like you know everything. I wrote about this in a book, stop acting.
We understand that Baul songs and Kirtans are not Folk Songs. The Ektara foundation is about Baul songs and kirtans because that is Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu indigenous ancestral ancient Cultural Lineage.
He has preserved his lineages songs, Kirtans, practices for over 60 years, that is his legacy and his spiritual base and he is the only authority of that.
He, however, is a accomplished inborn and trained the highest level Music Composer, lyricist, Music producer and an Indian Music Composer of all of Indian Music. I waste so much time qualifying only because, today every body is a Music Composer, it seems every Baul is now a Music Composer and even has IMBD listings. Indian Cinema and Bollywood as far as Baul goes is only related to Babu Kishan his Indian Cinema name, in Bengal his birth name is Krishnendu Das Baul.
He categorized all of the Folk Music of India for the largest Music Companies of India. He has been composer music for folk singers in Bengal from age 11.
He knows the difference between Folk Music and Baul Music, he has been an expert on this matter.
I was just watching "that women's' interview on Namarasa youtube, what she is saying is completely wrong.
'Baul and Gaudiya Math' is only tied together through this indigenous lineage and their ancestors, it has nothing to do with Parvathy and her fake sampradaya.
That women looks sweet but I am an expert at reading people, 'that women is an actor', what she is saying is not accurate, this leads to reductionism and the water down of lineage ancestral Baul and the truth of these association.
The first point of Baul is to tell the truth, Satya, never lie, if you fail that, you fall, you are not a Baul. Baul is not an acting job?
There are (not) many different schools of Baul, there is only one story, one lineage, only one indigenous ancestral family who fundraised and were respected by Gaudiya Math.
This lineage was tied to Gaudiya Math, respected by Gaudiya Math and part of their ancestor are Gaudiya Math, related to Nityananda of Ekachakra, the NEW book will explain. This lineage only remained and are closely tied to Gaudiya Math for hundreds of years.
This is lineage is a one and only Vaishnava Sahajiya Tantric Baul (Vayu Tula) V is B in Bengali, thus instead of Vaul they say Baul, there are deeper teaching in this lineage or guru shishy parampara sampradaya. No non-indigenous random generic actors should fake or talk garbage 'that women' is talking like there are many of these sampradaya's there are not. That is a lie and the lies continue.
Regarding Baul there is only one lineage or guru shishya parampara sampradaya and 'that women' is not from this sampradaya or yoga parampara, her Guru was not either, he actually tried to poison Purna Das Baul to death at Monhar Kepa's ashram in Kenduli during the Joy Dev Mela in the 1970's he was jealous and copied everything from Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and Purna Das Baul.
He was to be arrested but out of compassion Babu Kishan's mother said, let him go, he is so poor, he was a cigarette seller. It is true who you associate with you become. Here we have a fake Guru who stole the intellectual property from this lineage and copied everything from this lineage and tried to kill Purna Das Baul out of jealousy and we have a so called shisya who does the exact same thing steals the intellectual property from this lineage and fakes Baul. That women' say she met her Goshai Guru and spent three days with him before he died and he gave her every song, that was before. Now (that women) is saying she spent 3 years with him?
I will never trust anything she says, I have documented everything all the things "that women" has said since 2008 she is all over the map I am not talking travel wise, she changes her stories all the time. Why, hasn't anybody qualified 'that Women' through Purva Paksha. Don't tell me that the younger generation has no intellect or discernment? Where have the Indian and Western brains gone, do you just believes anything you are told? Life today on youtube is stranger than fiction.
Anyhow, Nityananda of Ekachakra Birbhum Bengal a Vaishnava Sahajiya (not buddhist as she say) but 'Krishna Sahaja who is the biggest Sahaja ever" and 'Dattatreya Sahaja) who is trimurti Vishnu, Shiva, Brahma and was Ram's teacher.
What is wrong with people, Krishna is way older than Buddhism, this lineage has been indigenous ancestral Vaishnava way before Gaudiya Vaishnavism of the 15th century and the follow Nityananda, they love Sri Chaitanya, but follow Nityananda these stories are held in the oral tradition and will be released when the book is released later this year. We have to protect our information because of hawker Bauls? Everything, is and will be copyrighted and we will go to court if we have to, to reclaim our Baul songs and kirtans?
No random fake hawker Bauls have ever used the term or called themselves a Baul Avadhut, Nabani was the last Baul Avadhut what the heck is going on? I see 'that women' is now calling herself an Baul Avadhuta that is impossible, that is a bold-faced lie? There is no such things as a Baul Master either, you have no adhikara or right to self-determine who is Baul or what to call anything regarding you, you have stepped way over the line. Same with Rodham calling Purna Das Baul a shilpi Baul are you kidding me, what an insult, you call the Baul Samrat a shilpi and you are new to Baul? There is something here to really pay attention to, I am serious, you learn a lot when you look at peoples character and if you can face read watch these 2 they are great actors.
I know a guy who used to know me on facebook, read all my writings about Nabani Das Khyapa Baul went to see "that women' in California and called her a Baul Avadhut, did she take this serious, is this where she started to call herself a Baul Avadhut, it certainly could not be California where she first learned about marijuana, as all her brother fake Bauls sit in the Akhara smoking ganja all the time?
Insanity, this is just one of many stories and copying of intellectual property from this lineage, their songs, style, dance, dress, where they go and what they already have done as part of already lived Baul history. Wake up people dig deeper, just because someone has dread lock and acts sweet and innocent does not mean they are. Character is shown by actions, not by the telling of how respected you are and being promoted as this and that, while you are cherry picking from this blog and twisting it.
Vaishnava Sahajiya Tantric Bauls of Birbhum, Nityananda (Nitai) is a direct ancestor of only this lineage of Bauls, all the ancestors were born in Ekachakra Birbhum. 'That women' is not part of this lineage or parmpara, she has nothing to do with this lineage, and should cease and desist from pretending and using the ancestors or the songs, stories from this lineage and actually I do not appreciate you are partner trying to be my husband, trying to do whatever he has already done, going where he has gone, stealing his songs off youtube or stealing his intellectual property, you are just dust compared to his accomplishments, you have tracked every corner of his life.
This blog, there lived history and any information only pertains to this lineage which is Gosia Chand, Das Baul and Dasi. Because they made Baul famous, many random wandering people started to call themselves Das Baul and Dasi including (that women's) Guru, who is not from this lineage, but copied Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and was so jealous of Purna Das Baul and thus copied every song, Nabani style on and on. He is not a lineage Baul and I have no idea why Parvathy continues to preach she is? Oh yah, he even copied the path-work dress designed by Babu Kishan.
Baul Avadhut is very rare, anybody calling or claiming this title today is lying, how messed up is that, are you that desparate.
Nabani Das Khyapa Baul was the last Baul Avadhut he passed in 1969 of this lineage which is the only Guru Shishya Parmapara Sampradaya. Their ancestor Nityananda was a Vaishnava Sahajiya Tantric Baul Avadhut, then Kepa Chand Baul. Not all Bauls are Avadhutas, most are very devote Vaishnava who speak oral Sanskrit with manuscripts. Babu Kishan's grandmother Brajabala Dasi was a decendant of the Norottama Das line could recite the whole Bhagavad Gita in Sanskrit and tell all the stories of Mahabharat and Ramayan to Babu Kishan as she raised him til he was 8 years of age, these Vaishnava Bauls are authentically sweet, they never lie, they lived very simple lives of the sweetest sahaja innocence.
Parvathy is lying or I guess I could say cheating, claiming these titles Baul Avadhut, Baul, Baul Master and Sampradaya. She is trying to make Baul random and generic, as if everybody in Bengal was a Baul, this is not so. What the two of them are doing is insidious.
I can't give away too much here, everything she basically is saying is an act.
Did she ever fundraise for Gaudiya Math for decades, did they ever fundraise for the Ramakrishna Mission, no they just take and never give, they take what this lineage has already accomplished and mark their territory, remaking this lineage, and stealing the intellectual property of this lineage trying to mark their territory, like dogs do. We love dogs by the way!
If people come to "that Women or Rodham' to learn Baul they are being led astray, they are not Baul. It seriously is bull shit? I have to use strong language, I know be sweet, but sometimes sweet means to cheat.
I have been a long time avid student of Vaishnavism in the west of both Gaudiya Math and Iskcon. I have spent 18 years learning from Krishnendu Das Baul aka Babu Kishan. I received my first Bhagavad Gita in 1974.
I studied 24/7 under Jeffrey Armstrong, a brilliant Vaishnava Vedic and Tantric Scholar and Sadhaka. I met him in 1997 and sat at his feet for almost a decade, he introduced me to Vaishnava from Bengal. I am forever thankful to him, he inspired me to apply myself in the deeper study of Jyotish 'Vedic Astrology', Vedanta, Yoga, Ayurveda, Bhagavad Gita, Mahabharata and Ramayana and Martial Arts.
Jeffrey had been a student of these profound subject since 1965 and he is still going strong. This helped me understand Babu Kishan who has always had close friendship with Gaudiya Math & Iskcon in the west including George Harrison of the Beatles.
Babu Kishan and his family were constant fundraisers for both as his father always sang as fundraising events for many, while Babu Kishan played the Sri Khol and lectured.
Babu Kishan has been teaching Vaishnava Sahajiya Baul, Tantra Mantra Gopi Yantra, Indian Philosophy and Indian Music since the 1970's in the west and worldwide. I have no idea what "that women and Rodham are talking about saying in the west it only has been about music, no it has not! Stop your lying, you are not going to save us westerners, just stop yourself promotion and save you own soul, go and practice, stop lying and using Baul because once Babu Kishan get started you will be dust. He has spent a lifetime qualifying who is real and who is fake.
Just, because he is an accomplished Indian Musician does not mean that is all he has done, he also, is an oral Sanskritist and a Classical Sanskritist who composed poetry and music in Sanskrit and has for some of the top Music Composer in India such as Ravindra Jain. 12 years at the Ramakrishna Mission and has done huge fundraising for the Ramakrishna Mission.
These too Rodham and 'that Women' are trying to be Baba and Maa spreading false information, lying and trying to collect people. They want to be in the Baba and Maa business, it is embarrassing and the comments left on the youtube mindless.
I was a long time friend of the late Vrindavan Today's founder editor Jagadananda Das (Jagat). He was a prolific researcher blogger and writer of Gaudiya Vaishnavism and was an X Iscon research the subtler points of Bengali Vaishnava since the 1960's he lived in Vrindavan India for decades. Jagat had a love and affinity with Baul Sahajiya Baul and Gaudiya Vaishnavism I had many many private conversations on the subtle points of Vaishnava Baul Sahajiya and this one and only lineage. Babu Kishan's grandmother Brajabali Dasi was eternally tied to the Norottam Das lineage of Vaishnava poets and scholar and Nabani Das Khyapa Baul is eternally tied to Vaishnavism through Nityananda Gosia Chand of Ekachakra Birbhum, W Bengal. All the Gosia's aka (Gosian, Goswami) of Bengal and Vrindavan used to visit Brajabala. As much as people like Jagat know and he realized a lot, they are missing the nuances and the inner truth of what is Baul, Babu Kishan is a born oral Sanskrit with a photographic memory, I was born with a photographic memory and ruthless desire for the truth, not random truth presented as truth but impeccable truth, not a version of truth twisted into a cult. There is no replacing the actual truth of who and what Baul is by any random shilpi non-indigenous fake Bauls. Baul is not a game of jackpot fundraising and it not be in the hands of random people picking the bones of this lineages ancestor. Krishnendu Das Baul from birth is to preserve Baul, his grandparents Guru's Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and Brajabala Dasi gave him that task, has it been easy absolutely not, when one is a born Tara Ma sadhaka or upasaka in the burning grounds with Nabani ones life is not going to be fun and games, you will live many lives in one life. There is much to explain here, nothing to be assumed, this lineage is always Radha and Krishna first they live in their hearts but if one has a rare Baul Avadhut as as Guru as Krishnendu Das Baul aka Babu Kishan has Tara Ma, Kali Ma and the Mahavidya's will be there also. However, only this one and only lineage, there is a misconception thinking this history belongs to all pretendian fake Bauls, it does not, many hung outside of these shakti peeths trying to be Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and today fake random Baul are using it as an attraction for tourists, trying to hook more people into their ashram as a way of business.
These 2 must stop making loose associations, the nuances are completely missing, the essence is washed clean of any authority on the topic.
If you mention 'Baul and Gaudiya' or Baul and Tantra" the only Baul to speak to is Babu Kishan as he lived it from birth and was on the board of Tarapith for decades. Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das is the only authority he is the real last Baul who lived it all with the authentic celebrated last Baul Nabani Das khyapa Baul and his father Purna Das Baul.
These 2 are window dressing, I could tell you what is wrong and how they have it completely wrong, the only problem is they will take and use it as if they are the ones that knew. Talking about 'Gaudyia Math and the Bauls' is useless unless you tell the real history of this association with this lineage. However, they don't, you can not make, the association of Baul and Gaudiya Vaishnavism random and generic, so that you can lay claim to all the work and associations of this lineage.
Do you think we are stupid, the answer is obviously yes? Do you think others are stupid?
The only way you can talk about this is by talking about this lineage. However, you do not have permission to talk or tell any of this lineage stories, because you have poached this lineage of their intellectual property? Tell me is that Vaishnava? Absolutely not, Vaishnava is humbler than a blade of grass, but true humility means truth talking and non-stealing.
You are Banned from this lineage of Baul, you are not our friends. Babu Kishan does not want to even hear your names, and he didn't want me to write this, because or want your names on our blog.
This is all my doing, because I have watched this intellectual indigenous property theft for decades now.
For example;
1. Baul does not come from families, not the truth.
Baul is first and foremost indigenous, do you even understand what that means. Baul is different from, oh I just want to become a yogi and run away into the Himalayas where you meet a Guru and well you know there are a million stories, it is a different story from the Juna Akara where these people follow a different path of individual away from the family, even if a Baul joins the Juna Akara they still will have a family somewhere a long the line. Anyhow, I can't teach Baul here, that is not the purpose and actually that is the birth right and ancestral destiny of his lineage. I have allowed myself to give too much information out.
This blog has always announced 'copyright' I added, no poaching when I discovered that Rodham on an older youtube video, had poached and was telling Babu Kishan's stories about Nabani Das Khyapa Baul as if he knew, with giving no, credit, he alluded that he knew the story of Bob Dylan and the Bauls, as if he knew, showing the character of these 2 and their self-promotion without any shame. He acted like he an expert on Bob Dylan ect,. Most people would not catch any of this becasue they know it is the blind leading the blind and the younger generation just believes if a person looks authentic and has gathered all sorts of pictures with others, they are the real thing?
Babu Kishan can address all this better than I ever could.
No name dropping, cherry picking, poaching songs or the intellectual property of from this lineages. They are trying to suggest that the Bauls that came to the west before, never taught anything, they only sang folk songs and promoted folk songs, that all they did was play Baul music, it was all about Baul music, this is 100% wrong and a lie. Not the truth. That is exactly what the person talking has done, Babu Kishan has taught at Universities and given Master classes on Baul since the 1970's, because he is educated with a Master Degree BA and MA with 12 years at the Ramakrishna Mission because he was a representative of the government of India through ICCR and Sangeet Natak Akademi? He is the author of 3 books on Baul, now out of print, he is the first and last as a part of this Baul history.
Then in another video Ramchandra Rodham who now calls himself Sri Sri Ramachandra which is a change, trying to elevate himself to an expert, demanding respect, as if he is a spiritual Guru. Keep your eye on these 2 they morph and change their narratives all the time. He is elevating his sense of self-importance, while sensationalizing and poaching Baul from this lineage.
One by one twisting Baul slightly to make it more attractive to the people, it is so obvious the intent is to collect people, already stating, come and join us? Baul never ever collects people.
Authentic Bauls sole purpose is Seva to the villagers, have you healed anybody lately, have you fundraised for other, or just for yourself.
When I think how Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and his ancestors gave up their lives, to attend to the villagers, feeding them, healing them, the women Bauls were mid-wives. The Bauls taught the villager, and they never went door to door as "that women" states. Here whole statement is a testament to the false narratives pushed and the nuances that she has not got a clue about. The whole thing is a show, a show by 2 actors, who are destroying the essence of Baul they know you don't know so they can say anything and you will go oh wow, she is so humble, yes when you are an actor you can dupe anybody. It is sad and this must stop, it is inauthentic and an overstep.
I see this insanity of poaching Baul I cringe and you should too.
No the west does not need any fake Bauls. People here are worn out by cults, nobody here needs a new Vivekananda some random middle class middle class girl, now a women, who did not attend the RamaKrishna Mission, did not have a authentic Baul Guru and has changed trying to grab all of Baul, this could be a case study of a new cult in the making.
However, now uses the Ramakrishna mission of part of her marketing promotions, same as she did with Universities and Indian Cinema, including her award obtained for representing Baul, which should only have gone to indigenous Baul as she is from a regular middle class family. This is more like a Master class in tricking people that one is authentic when they are not even that, a master class in social media fake fame.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13890392/
The lack of intellect, discernment, of not this and not that, the lack of research into the subject of the youger generation regarding spirituality, the lack of nuances and people who know how to qualify what is real and what is fake is astounding. Never fall prey to charisma, there has to be experience and an authentic Guru, teacher or Master is an expert not one who acts humble.
Bauls had a deep intellectual mind, their genius was inborn through their ancestry of Vaishnava Sahajiya poets, and oral Sanskritist with manuscripts. They were the ancestors of Nityananda of Ekachakra connected to the land there, the soul and soil of the land which is indigenous to this lineage. Only Babu Kishan born Krishnendu Das Baul can tell the story, I have only given hints, and all those hints have been poached. Tell me is that Vaishnava? Think critically, don't think emotionally of what you see or exotic looking costumes and platitudes of generalizations touching on every aspect that this lineage has lived?
Baul is very personal to Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das Baul, he is a Pandit regarding Vaishnava Sahajiya, Baul Tantra Mantra Gopi Yantra, Sanskrit, Indian Philosophy and all of Indian Music. He is not self-titled and he has been teaching Baul worldwide and in India since the 1970's as a qualified teacher in every way, he is not self-titled. He is not an actor. His Guru is Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and Brajabala Dasi who is from the Norottama Das family, she is an oral Sanskrit-ist and knew all the stories off by heart and knew Vrindavan like the back of her hand, there are stories about her in Babu Kishan's book that will be released sometime this year, that is when you will hear more about all this.
People need to learn the questions to ask, instead of just gushing on a emotional level. This is the most important issue of our time, discernment and knowing what is fake and what is not.
https://indiafolkheritageofbengal.weebly.com/cultural-misappropriation.html
https://indiafolkheritageofbengal.weebly.com/lineage-baul-of-birbhum.html
What a sham, there may be a drop of heart there but not enough to stop her from stealing the intellectual property of this lineage and Babu Kishan grandfathers style, song Kicchu din mone mone? Right off of Babu Kishan's youtube channel without permission in 2009, where is the consciousness?
https://lineagebaul.blogspot.com/2022/07/kichhu-din-mone-mone-by-nabani-das.html
'That women' say's her Guru Sanatan Das Baul (not a das baul) but a self-titled das Baul) somewhere along the line said, books were useless, yet all her side kick Rodham does is read books, and Parvathy has been known steal the intellectual property from this lineage even when something is not correct. Sanatan Das Baul was illiterate, Baul is never illiterate, we will break this down one by one.
# 1. Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das Baul is a music composer, no not just one of those who say they are, he is a inborn Music Composer who is qualified with a Masters degree in Indian Music from Calcutta University, He has spent 40 years as a Music Composer in Indian Cinema with a huge body of successful and award winning music in Sanskrit, Bengali, Hindu, and a multitude of other languages. He has composed over 80% of his fathers Purna Das Bauls most famous Baul music. Yes, the song that these fake Bauls steal.
#2. Babu Kishan as an expert on Folk Music has categorized all of the Folk Music of India for the biggest Music Companies in India.
# 3. He has composed music for and recored Folk Music of Bengal for the biggest Folk Music singers of his time,
#4. He knows his Baul Music and his Baul Poetry inside out and backwards. He has composed for a huge number of temples and Guru's through out India including writing lyrics, poetry ect... and knows what is Baul, Folk, Bhajan, and all spiritual music of India.
So for this video to come out now by Parvathy saying Baul songs are not Folk songs, is laughable, she is not a Music Composer, she doesn't even know who the poets are, she said Bauls don't care, why Parvathy so you could steal the poetry? She sings most songs from this lineage and doesn't even know, that she has too has sung folk songs.
'That women' has advertised herself as a Folk singer, I have it in my files? What on earth is going on in Bengal, do they believe any of what she says, is it to fundraise in the name of Baul? So the Folk songs didn't work, the Buddhist part didn't work and then Lalon, they even tried Bollywood I guess that didn't work, now Ramakrishna, Vivekananda, Gaudiya math, first Radha, Tara Ma and now Krishna?
Babu Kishan has not gone anywhere, he is still alive and watching the Baul tradition, it is his passion and be dammed if he is going to let this go on any longer.
Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das is the expert, while Parvathy is a newbie, novice on the path along with her Sri Sri a beginner trying to usurp and be the first Baul in America, give me a break, what an insult. Trying everything, throwing it at the wall, will it stick, what is next, including trying to associate with Indian Cinema?
Next she will call herself a Music Composer. You and Rodham are banned from misappropriating anything from this blog or lineage. You want to be Purna Das Baul just like your Guru did, you want to be Nabani Das Khyapa Baul just like your Guru did, you want to be Babu Kishan too, by copying everything he has done and everywhere he has gone. I am sorry I am a warrior and a martial artist and the shakti of Nabani Das Khyapa Baul's grandson who has been preserving Baul for over 60 years. I will never forget and do do you honestly think Babu Kishan ever forgets, no he has a photographic memory.
Who is Baul, is in Bengali documentary with subtitles.
It is a more realistic view of where Baul is at today, not a fabricated fantasy info commercial a prelude to Vivekanada and the second coming of Christ as a Baul to America when Baul has been in America for decades? This screams a new cult. North America is burnt out of the cult mentality, but there still is a pathetic amount of ignorant people they can dupe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmNbe4qS2VA
I didn't want to critique or use the name the fake (pretendian) hawker Bauls, however, if people think what is going on is Baul you need to know it is not. This Rodham guy touches on everything I have already written on this blog and throughout my websites. He draws this picture of Baul that was lived a long time ago and is part of lived Baul history. Baul is already in the west it has been here since 1967. By the way the only way you know about Baul is through this one and only lineage of Baul that was copied by your so called Baul Guru. The only thing to do is call it what it is, acting and fakery at its best.
You feel entitled to so confidently call Purna Das Baul a shilpi Baul, no he is a Baul Samarat a Baul pandit Padma Shree, he is Nabani Das Khyapa Bauls son and has seen more, not only that he has seen and lived more than you have. He is in his 90's have alot of repect for him because you would not know about Baul without him, your Guru who was a cigarette seller would not have had any songs, or style to copy and steal. Lets look at who you are, and who your so called Baul Master and her Guru really are?
"That Women' think she is the new Vivekananda bringing Baul to the west? Hop on the freighter and act it out?
She appropriated Baul from this lineage, the fact is she appropriated the song Kichu Din Mone Mone. This is a Baul song from this lineage that has been appropriated! It is Nabani Das Khyapa Baul poetry, this Baul kirtan was stolen off Babu Kishan's youtube channel in 2009, she listened to over and over so many times even Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das Baul by birth noticed it? Of course it is popular it belongs to Nabani Das Khyapa Baul who was well known. Cease and desist because we are working on a plan to recover the intellectual property that has been taken without permission from this lineage, it will be a long court case, however, it is a must to send a message to all marginalized indigenous people that stealing the intellectual property of indigenous people is not ok, it is not ok.
Babu Kishan said to me, what is going on with my youtube "that women" has listened to this song over and over and over, we the analytics to proven.
She gave the name Roshik as the poet, even though it is not Roshik is a nickname of someone else from this lineage? Other people have re-recorded this song and other Baul songs from this lineage, but this in particular has been a disturbing blatant intellectual property theft.
If "that women' was not such a fake Baul who created a fake lineage while using the intellectual property of this lineage we would not care. But is unbelievable how the lies slip out as they do, how she reduces Baul to fit her limited understanding and how it is all about come and join us.
Stop making Baul generic and duping people. I have documented it all since we saw this blatant appropriation. I have documented when you took all the chapter titles from Purna Das Bauls book titled Baul Philosophy, and listed all the titles of the Chapters as to what you were going to teach in a workshop?
I have documented the time you said, Baul is from Turkey.
Baul is not from families, oh really, do you even understand what indigenous means?
Then 20 years ago, I met Babu Kishan and from listening to him 24/7 I realized he was trained in Mimamsa Philosophy, purva paksha, debate and had met a mentor of his a Supreme Court Judge of Calcutta and Bombay whom he traveled and was friends with since age 8 they would travel around Indian testing so-called, self-titled experts aka Gurus, Tantrics, Yogis to see if they were authentic, they knew that questions to ask, this was their practice as a hobby. This is a book unto itself.
Disregard for traditional spiritual practices ownership of their songs, dance, style, kirtans, where they go and what they, is the disregard for indigenous ancestral people who have preserved Baul for thousands of years, Baul is not a free for all, Baul is not an umbrella for all the random wandering people to use and abuse as they please.
Using the past Baul history as your history when you are not a Baul, your ancestors were not Baul and then reworking it is acting as if you did and created all of the Baul history and talking negatively about this lineage while using it, insinuating and making suggestions that music is the cause of the disappearance of Baul, No you are the cause of the disappearance of Baul taking the opportunities away from indigenous Baul, watering down Baul and stealing the indigenous intellectual property of this lineage. Do play stupid, this is just the beginning of notifying the world what your game is?
A nakal Baul will disregard or reject traditional spiritual practices and teachings, and may create their own doctrines that are not based on the authentic teachings of their tradition. Creating a mishmash or anything goes and everybody is a Baul, just plain creating bullshit to include yourself. Living in a fancy world of false narratives.
Recently I saw "that women" in a video with a so-called Guru who has a huge record of abuse, he disappeared for years and has reappeared as best friends as best friends of Nithyanada who was kicked out of India, and then created his own country, remember that guy?
I have both on cult watch lists, do your research, they both have a long list of complaints. He is making a comeback to a whole new unconscious group of dense people. This Guru is a Mauritian neo-Hindu from Mauritian who if you do research on has some very dubious best friends and dubious activities and questions on cult watch sites. This is who 'that women" associated with praises and as a reward he calls her a Saint. People do your research, yet no one does? It is easier to dupe people into fact cults today that it was at the hight of fake Cults even a decade ago, people do not learn anything from the past, they only become more woke and easily influenced.
https://youtu.be/I3YNqGxxll0?si=GXqnw41I8uPxNd9S
It is a spiritual crime to mislead people for your own purposes.
Do not trust anybody, watch this guys face, too much smile is fake. This video link will explain what a cult mind virus does to humans and especially young people.
Oh my God when talking about Baul, this lineage has no association with these two, we do not endorse cults or this kind of association it is the opposite of Baul. Do your research people.
Cults encouraging blind devotion: A false guru may encourage blind devotion to themselves rather than to the teachings and practices of their tradition, and may discourage independent thinking and critical analysis. Come and join us, follow are path, creating a false image of who a Guru is, when in reality it is not true, it is just a figment of your imagination. And what are getting out of Baul, perhaps you will be a Guru to, perhaps you will get out of India and travel the world by making false claims of you are going to introduce Baul to America when a Baul has been going and living in America for 4 decades, but don't dare mention that Baul only steal the intellectual property of that Baul.
It is important to do thorough research and exercise discernment when choosing a spiritual teacher or guru, and to be aware of these warning signs to avoid falling prey to a false or fraudulent teacher, Baul is not fake it til you make it. A Baul Guru there is no such thing as Baul Master, is not riding on the coattails of another lineage, stealing their songs, dress, style of dance and instruments, how do you account for this. it can be 100% proven, how do you account for this, your actions prove who you are?"
You must do your research, study and practice, today it easy, back a few decades ago we didn't have the internet. You can do all sorts of learning online. First develop your intuition, discernment and the basics, do not follow the crowd you will get no further than the crowd.
Ask profound questions and sources, where did you get that from, don't take what anybody says, did they do the work, did they go to the Ramakrishna Mission, what are they basing their Vaishnava on and watch face read them, this too is part of Baul, you have to be able to read anybody making outrageous claims.
Investigate, research, do not ever care about how many likes they have, or how many followers, sometime that is a big red flag because in Kali Yuga the time is backwards, who is real is seen as fake, and who is popular and has many fans is fake.
What does you gut say, what does your heart say, what does you head say. Do not rush to follow anybody, only your soul knows ask your soul.
This lineage is documented 13 generation to Nityananda of Ekachakra Birbhum W Bengal. Only this lineage, this indigenous ancestral lineage, not related to any other fake pretendian Bauls using the name Baul to collect people.
In the video mentioned, he is misleading and creating generalization hooking a rant as if he is doing an info-commercial for Baul? Bold-faced lies taking credit for what he has not even practiced.
This is fake and a false narrative. His technique is to disqualify this lineage and the fact they have appropriated and stolen the intellectual property of this lineage. Baul is not a game, it does not belong to you people you have done enough damage, you are not indigenous to Baul.
Without a shadow of doubt Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das Baul knows the questions to ask, he can see like with laser vision who is real and who is fake, and from day one he pegged Parvathy Baul as a fake, the problem here is he knew her Guru, he knew all the stories to begin with, you don't and they have made him out to be a saint. The only Baul saint and the last authentic Baul Bhakti Tantric Avadhut was Nabani Das Khyapa Baul.
There are no Bauls left, their is only the over 60 years of Baul preservation that Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das Baul and a Baul history and her-story already completed. A history that Parvathy and Rodham are tying to remake with all sorts of innuendo's?
Cherry picking, name dropping, poaching of this lineage picture taking, social media influencers, with stories based on nonsense. Better yet, get a job, raise children, I had a guru who always said, so you want to be a Guru and when people came up to him and asked how, he would say get married and have children and come and see me in 20 years, you need experience in life first. Not just I am not Baul and now I am an expert on Baul, when the authentic Bauls lived full lives and preserved Baul over generations, they would be rolling in their graves.
Baul has been in the west since 1967, Babu Kishan has been teaching in the west, Bhakti Yoga, Baul Kirtan, Tantra, Baul Philosophy and Indian Music since the 1970's, because he is an expert, he trained from Childhood and is indigenous to Baul, he spent 12 years as a monk 24/7 at the Ramakrishna mission not just reading little booklets he was in a deep 24/7 practice, you have to do the work before you can claim the work? No one can do that today, yet they can claim the whole of Baul, claim authority out of the blue, when yesterday, last year, they didn't even talk about Ramakrishna? Again, blatant cherry picking.
You mention Tarapith, and other shakti peeth like they are ice cream, have you ever done decades of sadhana at these places. Posting memes and taking pictures or making woodwork is not the tantic sadhana of these places where Nabani Das Khyapa Baul the last authentic Baul to walk on earth and he left in 1969 did sadhana, where the villagers knew him and gave him the name Khyapa Baba or Khyapa Baul because he served the villagers, he didn't serve himself. You make a fool of the actual people who did the work the real sadhana, all I hear is you have self-titled yourself, you are doing self-promotion and acting with no shame.
Baul is already in the west permanently since 2009, he does not advertise his teachings, he does not promote what he is doing, the people who know him are in touch with him. An authentic Baul does not play your games of social media, they are always disguised, mystical and mysterious, they do not sell their spirituality and play pretend.
It is easier now through social media, because it is easier to dupe more people, attract more people and start a Maa or Baba business of dominance, don't insult Vivekananda, he didn't come by airplane, he had an authentic Guru that had a tremendous shakti. If you thought Sanatan Das Baul had a power or shakti lol, just stop it, as I said Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das Baul knew him, there are so many stories that must be told. You will be qualified, that I can assure you, just not yet, but soon.
Purna Das Baul is not a shilpi Baul, oh my God he is the Baul Samarat Pandit Purna Das Baul he is an indigenous Baul from the soul and soil of Ekachakra Birbhum W Bengal. If not for him you would have no songs to sing, you would not know anything about Baul because of him Baul was made popular, because of Purna Das Baul and Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and Babu Kishan you would not know anything about Baul, you would not have a template to appropriate? You have no right to talk anything about this lineage and lump it into your fake crusade as the new Vivekananda or the second coming of the Krishna and Radha to the west.
Purna Das Baul is a many time President awarded, with a Padma Shree, have you no shame. Nityananda is a ancestor of this lineage going back 13 generations, you are lying about this 7 generation thing, unbelievable, seriously you have are seem desperate.
You copy everything from this lineage and this blog, not just on this video but on others videos, telling stories that can only be heard here and only stories told by Babu Kishan, trying to remake an already lived history of this lineage, while dismissing the people who introduced Baul to all of Bengal, India and Baul worldwide til this day.
I tried to ignore this recent push into the west and the video titled 'Tantra and Baul', however, it is an insane abuse of Baul, copying of everything already said on this blog.
The interviewer has not got a clue that you are a Baul hawker, she has no idea what she has gotten into. You touch on everything and every part of this lineages lived history, I don't think there is too much missed.
A Baul hawker is someone who uses Baul who is not indigenous to Baul. They copy from where-ever, floating around the internet making contacts, poaching others work and 'faking it til they make it' this started in the 1970's I see there is now a revival in this new Baul scheme?
We live in a post truth era where there is an over abundance of information on the internet, where practice is a show, an after thought, something to brag and act like you know what you are doing, a show, an act, to collect people as you said, in another video come and join us? Baul does not collect people? How can a non-indigenous random person from South India, who has never done any of the Ramakrishna sadhana's claim Vivekananda and RamaKrishna?
Completely manipulating people who do not even understand the language of Baul, pretending, Baul hawkers, who if anybody is a shilpi Baul it is Parvathy Baul who is acting out Nabani Das Khyapa Baul style of instruments and dance, acting out the song she stole from Babu Kishan youtube channel a song from his lineage of Baul kirtan, there is no other lineage of Baul kirtan. People who do not understand the language or Indian Music think this is great, but it is all an act. But, there you are Vivekananda in female acting form is coming to America?
You will need to fundraise for you jackpot, collect donations from unsuspecting fools, in the name of indigenous Baul, this is indigenous identity theft, and indigenous property theft, probably even indigenous fraud, when they steal the songs, style and practices from this lineage and this blog.
Baul is an indigenous ancestral tradition, lineage, Guru Shishya Parampara Lineage there is only one originating from Ekachakra Birbhum West Bengal India. Oh my God he does not know what he is talking about regarding Baul in the West, he does not know anything, no idea and he calls Purna Das Baul a shilipi Baul?
Rodham has elevated 'that women' as if she was greater than Purna Das Baul and Nabani Das Baul and is taking all the work this lineage has done and faking it as if she had done it all. Sheer garbage, Babu Kishan has been teaching Bhakti Yoga for decades in the west, he lives in the west. My goodness what fakery. Now they are the roots of Baul?
Rodham is insinuating 'that women' is bring Baul to the west, just like Vivekanada coming to the west?
Coming to the west is already Baul history, Babu Kishan is in the west lol oh you think you know more than he does? Don't insult our intelligence I take extreme acceptance to your ignorance.
Thousands of people read and do research from this blog since 2009. This must be understood, this is a very old ancient lineage of Baul and there is one lineage, new fake lineages have been created. Our goal is to reclaim and explain what has happened to Baul, this is one of the reasons Baul is no more, too much fakery. It has to be said, names must be called out.
These 2 "That Women' and Rodham are actors trying to repeat the history of Baul already lived as Baul history, Baul indigenous history, they are leaving out many nuances and changing Baul, muddying the waters in a confusing rhetoric, a rambling and claiming of Baul.
Baul is a very old lineage that they have not been initiated into, there is no way their Guru Sanatan Das Baul was a Baul, he copied everything from this lineage, songs, dance, style and even wore the patch work dress Babu Kishan designed.
Babu Kishan knew him way before these 2 were born, he had no energy, he had no knowledge and couldn't speak oral Sanskrit or read the manuscripts, he completely copied Nabani Das Baul style of instruments and dance that is why Parvathy Baul too copies Nabani Das Khyapa Baul style.
This fakery is pushing the boundaries on bull shit, indigenous intellectual property theft and plain old lying acting as an expert on Baul and again randomizing Baul making Baul generic to fit into the narrative.
Since the 1970's I have been studying the cult mind virus and the technique that are used to created cults and followers of cults. It is one of my biggest studies over all of this time.
As a Vedic Astrologer for almost 3 decades I have counselled many who have been looted, brainwashed and don't have a clue who is real and who is not. The techniques are numerous to entrap people, collect people and trick people, ask for donations to help start an ashram, it happens every other day here in the west. First you should have an authentic Baul Guru, someone with adhikara and unfortunately these 2 are not authentic Bauls. Understand Baul is indigenous, there is no way around this, and one should know all the Baul languages first which are Oral Sanskrit with manuscripts, Birbhum Bengali, Sandhya Bhasa and indigenous Bauls own style of Sandhaya Bhasha, there is no exception.
One must be from an authentic lineage with a real Baul Guru who wrote the poetry, not a fake Baul guru who poached the poetry. There is a difference, and one must be educated in all ways. Their Guru should be a oral Sanskritist and non-stealing, truth-talking not someone who is so jealous that they poison a Baul Samarat. I am a strong advocated or exegesis as a Vedic Astrologer and through my cult watch research. Babu Kishan has over 60 years of watching how the fake Bauls came to be, he knew them all including Sanatan Das Baul way before the 2 in this blog post were born, he has the real story.
Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das has been specifically trained in Purva Paksha and academic exegesis in determining who is a real and who is a fake Baul, Guru, Siddha, Tantra, Yogi ect.. He was trained first by his Grandfather (Guru) Nabani Das Khyapa Baul, then 12 years at the Ramakrishna Mission.
The podcast is called the forgotton essence, lol the essence is not there in those 2 fake Bauls, the essence is only in the lineage of Baul, you have interviewed the wrong people. If your param Guru is Satya Sai Baba what are you doing messing up Baul. Then Swami Vivekananda, Ramakrishna reading small booklets, now Maa Kali, Sir Aurobindo and the Mother love of his writings, 2021 asking what is Baul? My God and you representing Baul? Parvathy is wearing Nabani Das Khyapa Baul style of ankle bells copied from this lineage?
Sanatan Das Baul is NOT a Baul Guru stop this bull shit. All acting, it is all fake. Santan told Parvathy to go and find a real teacher. What a story, Baba this and Baba that, come on this is just a show. A space possessed with spirits that should not be there if one is an actual Baul. OMG what a story? Folks be careful. Bauls use the term Vayu Dharma for prana??
"That women' is a intellectual identity thief, she has stolen songs from this lineage and instead of admitting it will say, Bauls don't care who the poets are. Bauls always know who the poets are? She has the ability to act, all story, who cares what you did, it is about being truthful and not fake. There is no way that they have anything to do with Nityananda of Ekachakra, 7 generations it is way longer than 7 generations. There were no old Baul masters in 2016 what a story of lies. This is they typical making up of stories to legitimize oneself.
https://lineagebaul.blogspot.com/2025/02/indigenous-identity-theft-indigenous.html
Nabani Das Baul was the last authentic Baul, the last Baul Avadhut, this guy is exaggerating and lying. Guru and Shishya in Baul was never taken for granted, oh blah blah blah. He has no adhikara or authority to talk about Baul.
I have no idea why these fake Bauls are all of sudden, never before attaching themselves to the Ramakrishna Mission.
Did they see that Babu Kishan has been the first and last Baul to spend 12 years there.
Do the work first, if you are going to claim the Ramakrishna Mission do the sadhana, lets see how far you get that means 24/7 for years?
Stop using Babu Kishan stories posing for pictures talking bull shit as if you actually have done the work.
Then when he was at Calcutta University he traveled all over India with his family and by him-self as a representative of Calcutta University teaching at Universities Indian Philsophy and Indian Music. I gave a list of his teaching at Universites worldwide through the 1970, 1980, 1990 onward.
First you have to attend University before you teach, however this Fake Baul 'that women' has to try to be Babu Kishan in this area too?
The new Vivekananda Baul is coming to the west, she just never did the work except travel the world riding on the coattails of this lineage pretending she is Purna Das Baul singing on big stages, would you not call that actor Baul, shilpi Baul and there is no such thing as Baul Master, you guys made that up.
Someone has the brainy idea to have her talk at Berkley University in San Francisco as if she is an authority on Baul, to show her academic ability and to mimic Babu Kishan's long list of teaching at Universities around the world? What a joke, she is there to collect donations hawking her paintings, she teaches false teaching, that have already been identified as wrong.
She tells the audience there are 4 types of Baul Aul Sai Dervish and Fakir, no there are not, and if you really believe that, why are play acting Vaishnava Bhakti Yoga and Tantra now? Oh right she is still teaching this false narrative to some you Vaishnava people on a podcast, what these young people need is someone who is an indigenous Baul who is trained not faked, you are misleading a whole generation. Baul has been in the west!!
You should be teaching the fake Muslim Baul dialogue? Everything is a one liner, a covering a point of already lived first and last from this lineage, even Indian Cinema Bollywood? Why, that is Babu Kishans lived life, Indian Cinema has nothing to do with Baul, I will tell you why it is all self-promotion for fundraising in the fake Baba and Maa business.
We know where you got the Aul, sai, dervish, and fakir from and we also know why you changed your tune? You can not make this up, once Parvathy was asked where is Baul from and not too long ago, she said Turkey?
Advertising her accomplishment of teaching Baul at Berkley she bragged about it on the front page of her website, she had taught at Berkley University?
The video of that teaching showed that she taught at Berkley University, why, she never attended University, the only other Baul to talk about teaching at Universities all over India and worldwide was Babu Kishan because he went to University with a BA and Master degree. What is this some kind of competition to take over Babu Kishan's life and she has even tried to be associated with Indian Cinema (Bollywood) where Babu Kishan has had a 40 years career? What is the purpose, is it to make you self legit to gain fundraising, it always comes down to wanting something. Now she is going to introduce Baul to the west, what a pile of bull shit, Baul is in the west it has been her since 1967 and no not just because of hippies. If someone asked you to party with them, just say no, Babu Kishan has for 40 years in the west.
In 2009 she came to Vancouver and advertised herself as a Legendary Baul Women, when Babu Kishan has always said, his Grandmother Brajabala Dasi and aunt Radharani Das were the last legendary women, my God has she no shame, these two women were the last Baul women to walk on earth. I have seen Parvathy say she is the only Baul women to travel the world, my Goddess Manju Das was way before her doing cultural programs, teaching Baul worldwide with her husband Purna Das Baul who you have the audacity and gaul to call a shilpi Baul. Pravathy has done nothing but riding on the coattails of this lineage and you have cherry picked from Babu Kishan's stories, life and written words on this blog, written by me Trishula Das, but as told by Babu Kishan.
So Babu Kishan puts in the time, does all the work and you fake your way to fame with dread locks or jata, copying Nabani Das Khyapa Baul the only Baul since his ancestor Khyapa Chand and Nityananda of Ekachakra that had jata, because they did sadhana in the forests alone and this was the way without showers and modern conveniences such as airline travel and internet.
I dare you to cut your jata off, you live in the modern world traveling the world teaching what is not your to teach I dare you to give up your gimmick and see what happens. They are away to gain attention, oh yes we all have heard the stories of how your hair is antenna to the higher realms but that is when you live away from people? Today we have the internet?
Rodham you like to name drop and cherry pick not just on this video, how tricky your are I am an expert at detecting fake people. I have watched your type for over 50 years, spiritual sales people, spiritual hawkers, all the Gurus that came to the west over decades, your view is slanted you are talking to people twice your age, you think everybody is stupid. Babu Kishan he has seen it all thousands of times and qualified many of them, you see he is trained he had authentic real Guru's not marketing masters, big Gurus like Satya Sai Baba who manifested a Gold metal for Purna Das Baul, you see probably before you were a kid Purna Das Baul and family were special guest of Satya Sai Baba's 50th anniversary and other times. It has nothing to do with you and your fake Baul minions.
https://youtu.be/o3NSZIxeNuo?si=vECf4yC_k4kURJnB
You will probably lay claim to this too, saying Baul had association with Satya Sai Baba, no Baul did not this lineage, this indigenous ancestral Baul one and only lineage and the name is Purna Das Baul who brought Baul to the west for more that 40 years of travel to the west, This lineage is connected to the Kali Mandir in Laguna Beach, especially Babu Kishan who was instrumental in helping Usha Harding fundraise for the temple and instrumental in encouraging her to start the temple. Tell me why your Sananta Das Baul was there, he had nothing to do with it and what about Parvathy? Perfect example while we are at it of how hawker Bauls follow this lineage including everywhere, and everything they do and have done?
Baul does not collect people. Baul does not lie, Baul does not say as Rodham says, come join us? Baul does not say there are 20,000 Bauls left in W Bengal, Rodham said this in another video it is a complete lie or exaggeration to collect people? Obviously, the goal is to become fundraise for a jackpot in the lucrative Baba and Ma business? This is the perfect example of a hawker Baul.
Rodham has poached stories and cherry picked from this blog, I can prove it.
It is so obvious, instead of actually working in Indian Cinema they are faking an association by opening up a IMBD account for a youtube video, as a promotion for Parvathy as a Ma showing the villagers touching her feet. It is so obvious Baul is only a mean to an end for the lucrative Maa and Baba business, perhaps you want to be Anandamayi Ma, never could you even touch her feet. Then there is Ammachi in Kerala the hugging saint, she has made billions perhaps that is the end game?
Shilppi Baul, you are the only actor Bauls.
Babu Kishan has already completed, and done all you write about over 6 decades, he has done all the work, met all the people lived in the USA and Canada. He has already brought Baul to America, taught Baul to thousands of people worldwide before you were born, what an insult, the only problem with Baul is that is has been liquidated by you and your Guru, remember it is about character, truth (satya) and non-stealing.
Nabani Das Khyapa knew Vivekananda. You can not even touch or understand who Nabani Das Khyapa Baul was is living in Babu Kishan, they both have been to all the temples you talk about the Shakti Piths, Tarapith. Nabani Das Khyapa was initiated by Bhama Kepa, he was a authentic Tantric there no an armchair take people on tours there, he trained Babu Kishan from birth and it was Tara Ma who saved his life as a premature baby with crooked limbs.
https://vedicgoddess.weebly.com/temples-of-india-blog/kankalitala-temple-bolpur-birbhum-west-bengal This was a 2013 post, Babu Kishan has been teaching the world about Baul since the 1970's.
Kankali Tala Temple in Bolpur is where the villagers knew Nabani Das Khyapa Baul.
Stop all the bull shit, really it is too much, over the years everything written here has been copied sometimes word for word including out Ektara Foundation goals? Instead of attending and raising money for the Ramakrishna Mission, instead of actually knowing Anandamayi Ma and having a relationship with her as this lineage has, you go and take pictures as if you had that association.
Why are you two reworking everything this lineage has already completed as Baul history and claiming it for yourself. What is the end goal and purpose, you are not Bauls, you can't just fake Baul history without knowing the whole story or the nuances, just rambling as if you are a jokers.
I write about Baul Tantra on this blog, they come out with a pathetic video called Baul and Tantra which is absolutely garbage, do not copy anything from us, time is over.
The first comment made by a reader was; now it is Vivekanada and then comes (satya) Sai Baba, Ali Baba,, then comes Adi Shankar, then Modiji, and then comes Sad Guru Ji, and then comes Kejriwalji and then it is Baba Apte and then comes Sridi sai Baba', the commentator forgot to mention..... Ramakrishna, Aurobindo, Anandamayi Ma, Bollywood a long rant of bull shit, it is so obvious, I am a mystic I can see right through this guy, I can face read.
They have no shame.
At least Babu Kishan and Manoj Kumar composed music and an album for the Shridi Sai Baba temple. The 2 of them were at the Shirdi many many times, with the recently late Indian Cinema superstar, Manoj Kumar was an Indian actor, Film director, screenwriter, lyricist and editor in Indian Cinema he was a giant and recently passed a way, he was a good friend of Babu Kishan they did a lot of work together over the years.
Babu Kishan never talked about his life. I have, because of people who have stolen his music, his intellectual property and his life work. Babu Kishan is not one for name dropping, but what tis going it is a must because Baul history is his history and his ancestors history and it is being bastardized, and stolen.
He didn't talk about it, he composed music for many temples in India and many Guru's he never talked about it?
He didn't say his produced, recored the first ever recored Hanuman Chalisa in the 1980's and played in all temples of India with the most listens to in the history of India. Singing by late Hari Om Sharan.
Where Babu Kishan has gone, who he has met these 2 can not dream, the part in Indian History and Baul history that Babu Kishan, Purna Das Baul, Nabani Das Khyapa have played is not talked about, it is time to reclaim the authentic history of the Vaishnava Sahajiya Baul of Birbhum as part of history, rather being replaced by fakes.
I write about Bhakti Yoga and am the first to mention Baul Kirtan on this blog, and then all of sudden "that Women' is listing Kirtan with no mention that she stole a Baul kirtan right off Babu Kishan's youtube channel? No I won't let it go.
Now they are Bhakti, oh wait I wrote about Baul Tantra with implicit copyrights on the material now they are talking about Baul and Tantra.
On the youtube video Tantra and Baul, it is not Baul, Baul Tantra is very specific and can only be learned from an indigenous authentic Baul Guru. Oh my God what is he talking about? The interviewer is born in the west and she meets people like this and thinks they are authentic and that they tell the truth. She does not have a clue, the blind leading the blind, Baul can only been through indigenous initiation not through second hand fakes who write, copy and paste from book to book and call it their own?
It is absolutely necessary that this fakery is understood, there is no such thing as a Baul artist or a Baul Master.
For too long indigenous Bauls have been pushed aside with their names taken off, while fake Baul which we call pretendian Bauls or hawker Baul, have been 'riding on the coattails of this lineage' while reducing and watering down a beautiful ancient indigenous people, it is the nuances that matter and it is the nuances that are completely lost.
I have volumes of accumulated research that I have to dig through regarding Baul. I won't miss a drop, I am wild about defending my husband, his lineage and legacy. I have watched this fake phenomenon for 2 decades now, this last video pushed me over the edge.
Dread locks on a Women is a well know way to attract people, this is gimmick. The dress was copied from Babu Kishan's movie on Baul about his aunt Radharani Dasi, nobody knows this more than Babu Kishan because he designed the dress style that "that women" wore or used to wear. Baul women do not wear that dress style it was created for the movie called Tagori.
First of all if you are not 'Gosia Chand Das Baul or Dasi or an oral Sanskritst there is no way you are Baul.
Sanatan Das Baul is not a 'Das Baul' he is like the rest of the fake Bauls who copied everything from this lineage. He copied their songs, Nabani style of dance and even the colourful patchwork dress Babu Kishan designed. Babu says, he had no energy, he did not have any adhikara authority regarding Baul, he was a refugee from East Bengal and used Baul to survive which many of the refugee's from East Pakistan at the time of partition and the 1971 war between India and what is now called Bangladesh. There is and never were Bauls in East Bengal or Bangladesh that is all made up and can be proved.
There is no such thing as a Fakir or Muslim Baul.
Monohar Kepa was a poet not a Baul by the way, he did not have a lineage, you can not make a lineage out a one time poet? Purna Das Baul loved him and called him a Baul, but then that was his habit of calling everybody a Baul, he named Bob Dylan the first western Baul, that does not mean Bob Dylan was an actual Baul.
I saw some so-called, self titled Western Bauls say their Guru was the first Western Baul he was not, he was not even a Baul, there are another group with use Baul to fundraise who made up a lineage that does not exist, a fake lineage.
Baul is not a free for all, this lineage did all the work, you come along and try to be them, without any essence of Baul or indigenous ground to stand on?
Taking awards that are set aside for the indigenous Bauls. Trying to be Purna Das Baul and Nabani Das Baul and using all Babu Kishan's blog and website posts on who the Bauls are to create your fake platform.
The one I really laugh at is how you actually created a IMBD account for a youtube video, showing the villagers touching Parvathy feet, Baul did not go to village so that villagers could touch your feet, it is the other way around, omg the audacity.
The Bauls served the villagers, they healed the villagers, Bauls touched the villagers feet, their job was to serve the villagers?
We live in a post truth era, where the 'fake appears real' and the 'real appears fake' this lineage through Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das Baul is going to reclaim and qualify all the lies and liars, users and abusers, so get ready.
Now with AI Artificial intelligence, we are pushed to protect and reclaim this one and only lineage or Guru Shishya Parampara Sampradaya of Baul.
Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu's 4th book on Baul will be published later this year 2025 and all will be explained in detail, the fakery that has gone on, for fame, fundraising jackpots, awards, recording contracts, and traveling the world duping people.
Baul is indigenous and nobody outside the indigenous bubble should ever steal the intellectual property of an indigenous community, they have been marginalized and have had a very difficult time. The United Nations rights on indigenous people clearly states, on the indigenous people have a right to their own self-determination, not someone that is not even from Birbhum?
Baul is not easy, it takes a lot and one is born into a Baul family authentic lineage, not a made up lineage based one generation poet.
The first lie I present her is that Parvathy Baul said, Baul is not from families it is by initiation.
#1. You are wrong Baul is indigenous, which is always from families go and study what an indigenous person is, you may have your own indigenous tribe in Assam.
I don't know if your wrong answers are intentional to include yourself or that you are just ignorant?
You are not a Baul, we know it, you know it, it is just that some government bodies don't know it yet, and westerners are easy to dupe, they do not know the language or what you singing, they don't know you poached songs from this lineage right off Babu Kishan's youtube channel.
Have either of you put in the study and time, no, you just read Babu Kishan being the only Baul attended the Ramakrishna Mission for 12 years being the first and last Baul to have deep roots in the Ramakrishna Mission, as his family fundraised for the Ramakrishna Mission for decades, however, you only fundraise for you fake lineage. We will get that too, who is Sanatan Das Baul really?
After seeing this past video I feel I have to qualify it and speak out to protect the names and people who are still practicing Baul and are from Baul indigenous to Baul.
Many people love Baul and many people are way more qualified that this character who is poaching bits and pieces of Baul off our blogs and websites. He is tied to Parvathy B@&?. I didn't want to mention her name, but she is duping so many people and the ones asking the question do not know, the ones listening do not know, so it is very easy to make people stupid as an actor Baul.
I have watched from a far and documented everything she has said and advertised since Baul hit the fb in 2008, not because I was interested the anylitics on his youtube went off the chart. Babu Kishan had created a bunch of Baul fusion videos on youtube on his youtube channel called the, The Bauls of Bengal, we saw the intellectual property theft right before our eyes are were puzzled who is that? No problem, no big deal, but it was a big deal she took the song, re-recorded it and acted out Nabani Das Khyapa Baul style of dance and instruments with fake tears rolling down her eyes, her acting caught the attention of many, but the disturbing part was she wrote the poets name as Roshik when it was Nabani Das Khyapa Baul song that had already been recorded first on Hindustan Records. Again, this is the character of someone who wants to be a Guru a Maa, this is not a Saint or a Baul Avadhut, character matters.
You may ask what intellectual property theft, we have the analytics,
Because of this pathetic display on this Video, 'Hidden Truths of Tantra and Baul Mysticism' and because I have critiqued many books and papers on Baul I feel I can no longer ignore this blatant display of ignorance. People do not think critically about any of this anymore. There are no hidden truths, and if their are Baul and Tantra is secret and only a shadow, has been revealed by Babu Kishan.? What game are you playing, you think talking about the shakti peeths in your neighbourhood qualify you to even talk about Baul and Tantra. That history regarding Baul belongs to Nabani Das Khyapa Baul he was the last and only Baul Avadhut.
'Hidden Truths of Tantra and Baul Mysticism'.
In another video a few years earlier he displays his talents at poaching from many sources including from our intellectual property, reworking and cherry picking, stories about Nabani Das Khyapa Baul that only have been told by Babu Kishan, alluding to the fact he knows the Baul - Bob Dylan stories, my goodness it was so blatant and he was so excited and very proud of himself, again character always is important?
I have a timeline on all of this and documents including analytics of the poaching of LineageBaul.blogspot.com and our websites, mine in particular, so much so I took down the Baul pages on my website because I could see the poaching right before my eyes.
I first saw Rodham on Dr. Staneshwar Timalsina's fb page called 'Vimarsha Foundation', I was there to deepen my understanding of Kashmiri Shavism and have listened to and attended all his classes online. I am a perpetual student since 1974, a student of Baul, Tantra, Vedic Astrology, Ayurveda and Doaist Martial arts and Qigong including Buddhist Qigong, Health Qigong, Daoist Qigong and Tantric Qigong for decades.
Out of the blue at the beginning of his foundation, Rodham started to promote Parvathy Baul videos on Dr. Timalisina's fb Vimarsha foundation page? We were all there to listen to his lectures and support him, who does that starts to promote videos of a completely different topic. I had to hold myself back and was so please Shantanu spoke out, he knew my history with Babu Kishan and was surprised this happened. I mean I could have posted Babu Kishan's videos all over, but then it comes down to manner and character. I was perplexed back then, because my husband Krishnendu Das Baul aka Babu Kishan has been instrumental over 60 of introducing Baul to all of Bengal, India and worldwide.
Rodham's intro in his video is like, he is some accomplished Guru, perhaps even Ramakrishna himself. You would think he was a monk at the Ramakrishna mission for 12 years, oh but, no his father was into Ramakrishna, just as Parvathy qualifies as her mother was into Ramakrishna?
Loose associations are made of everything this lineage has already lived and completed as part of Baul history. Baul History and her-story is never from outside of the one and only lineage of Baul. Babu Kishan first started to talk about LINEAGE long ago he named this blog lineage Baul and all of sudden everybody made up LINEAGEs that never existed before?
In one post 'that women' laid claim to be the first Women Baul to travel the world. We ignored it, not anymore, another lie seriously she must have thought nobody was watching. Manju Das who was Baul Samarat, Padma Shree Purna Das Bauls wife, was the first Women Baul to travel everywhere in the world teaching at Universities with her son Babu Kishan as she was educated and a master classical singer with many albums. She passed away in 2010 but traveled far and wide since the 1960's.
She was the first and last Baul women to create Baul her-story traveling the world. That legacy belongs to her not "that women' who merely rode on the coattails of this lineage and their history and her-story. That her-story belongs to Manju Das at least she was married to the Baul Samrat Purna Das Baul an indigenous Baul born in Ekachakra Birbhum W Bengal.
Fake humility is often driven by self interest it is very subtle that is why it is important that you learn the questions to ask, and some principles of Purva Paksha and debate in the India philosophic systems of exegesis (a pulling a part, research, making comparisons of not this not that, and document things over a long period of time, to see if there are any big red flags).
Copying the list this lineages 'already lived' Baul history as first and lasts in their story of Baul history, but stripped of their names? Is not something a humble person does, it is what someone who is acting for an agenda does?
When talking about Baul Baul (Vayu Tula) Gosai Chandra Das Baul should never be made random, homogenous or faked, because first of all it does not belong to this person who is stealing the intellectual property of this lineage. They are teaching false narratives, while using the songs, style, dress, Kirtans, and the intellectual property of this lineage, the ones who have preserved Baul and the only reason anybody knows anything about Baul.
This looting, and poaching of this lineages indigenous intellectual property amount to indigenous Fraud and causes a reductionism and dangerous watering down, and generification: the use of Baul as an umbrella name usually for fundraising for financial jackpots, this has happened so many times since this lineage made Baul popular, they have been used and abused.
It is time for this using and abusing, acting to discontinue and for this lineage to reclaim Baul and its inner meaning, not to collect people but to teach and educate. Baul is already in the west Babu Kishan has been here for a very long time back and forth since the 1970's, he is not a devotee collector, he is not an expansion-ist, he is not into the Baba or Ma spiritual Guru business. it is pathetic what is going on regarding Baul and all the lies.
That is what he is into telling the truth and it is about time.
Generification: is the use of Baul as an umbrella name without giving the past history of Baul. How the fake Nakal pretending Baul actors drew their conclusions of self-promotion in creating titles on podcasts such as 'Baul and Tantra' and then rambling on without any authentic history of 'Baul and Tantra' like an advertising for a tour, or titles like 'Baul and Gaudiya Vashnavism' without any real connections or actual history of this connection, just another attraction to collect people an omg all the false narratives spread to these innocent young Vaishnava?
I will explain more as we move on through this article, which is long and if I can hold your attention.
Generification happens today in spiritual traditions to, it has happened to this lineage. The use of Baul as an umbrella name for every random wandering person or self-titled so-called Bauls since partition and then again in 1971. In numerous cases over the past century, the colloquial term and the way Baul has been used as a general term for just about anybody who decides they are a Baul without any adhikara or authority of even what it means to be a Baul.
The term Baul is very specific and unique, the name has been mistranslated forever abused and misused again, only because this lineage made Baul popular otherwise no one would call themselves a Baul and start a marketing career of fake narratives for the lucrative financial jackpot fundraising of Baul? This is why you have to know the history of Baul, not a generic history, but the authentic history with all the nuances never told.
The problem is how would you know who is Baul and whether what they are promoting is true, they have no adhikara in Baul. The purpose of the new book Historical Baul, is to be released soon, to teach you what the real Baul history is and her-story is, to use the names of the Bauls who lived the story. Baul does not collect people.
Not a remake by nakal Bauls who are tracing every aspect of Nabani Das Khyapa Baul, Purna Das Baul and Krishnendu Das Baul aka Babu Kishan's already lived lives and their Baul history, their style, songs, dress, instruments, kirtans, where they have gone and what they have done already as firsts and lasts in Baul?
Seriously, again I can not make this up, nor do I, but after finding all these false narratives and seeing people taken in by nakal pretendian Baul actors and I am not talking about the people in the village and the Baul singers who are singing Bauls songs in the villages, I am talking about very specific nakal fake Bauls acting out Baul.
This one and only lineage (Guru Shisya Prampara Baul Sampradya) is not a Yoga Parmapara, it is a Vaishnava Shahajiya Tantric Baul sampradya of which yoga is part of called Sadhu Sanga.
Nabani was an adept Avadhut, alchemist, he was rare and nobody can be him, you can grow jata and copy his style of dance and instruments, however, it is an insult to fake Nabani Das Khyapa Baul who an adept Yogi who could meditate under water for days.
I don't want to give it all away, but what Nabani did was not your regular self promoting fake Baul.
What Purna Das Baul did was not regular either and Babu Kishan has already accomplished 6 decades of research and preservation of this lineage as requested by Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and Brajabala Dasi he Baul Gurus and grandparents. He created the modern platform for the survival of indigenous Baul by indigenous ancestral Baul.
And by the way, Baul did not go door to door at all hours of the day, another fake narrative. The true story of Baul will be in the new book to be released in 2025.
The new phenomena of reaching into the lives of Nabani Das Khyapa Baul, Pandit Padma Shri (Purna Das Baul) and Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das Baul who have single handedly pioneered Baul throughout India and the world.
The gaul of remaking their indigenous cultural heritage, their associations, their indigenous practices, songs, style, dance, instruments, Baul kirtans, where they have gone and what they have done.
This is called indigenous identity theft, blatant orchestrated cultural appropriation, which is not just done by westerners, it is happening right now in India by Indians who are using Baul, no different from all the fake yogis, sadhu's ect today.
Regarding Baul history there is a whole list, big list of the copying of Babu Kishan's lived history, it is part of history that Babu Kishan is the first Baul to attend the Ramakrishna Mission for 12 years, Nabani met Vivekananda and this indigenous family has fundraised for the Ramakrishna Mission as part of the past 5 decades of Baul History.
This lineage is tied to Gaudiya Vaishnavism through their ancestor Nityananda of Ekachakra Birbhum their ancestors were born their, their bones are buried there. this lineage has been respected and fundraised for Gaudiya Math for in recent memory back to the 1800's. This lineage is Gosia Chand Das Baul and Dasi, there is not another Das Baul lineage, because of the popularity of this lineage their Das Baul title was copied by Baul singers.
This lineage has been a Cultural Representatives of the Indian government since Nabani Das Khyapa sang for Nehru as part of the Freedom Movement all over India and at the inauguration of India in 1947.
Regarding Baul and Tantra only Nabani Das Khyapa Baul was a Baul Avadhut who did real sadhana at Tarapith he was initiated by Bhama Kepa in the burning grounds. Regarding Kankali Tala only Nabani was a known Baul to do sadhana there, he was a regular and revived and kept the Shakti of that temple alive. The villagers titled him Khyapa Baul and Khyapa Baba. Many other self-titled Das Baul's knew about Nabani and used to hang outside the temple singing the songs of this lineage, many to attract unsuspecting fools.
Baul and Tantra is only related to this lineage and not all Bauls follow the path of Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and Babu Kishan these shakti peeths are not a tourist destination for nakal expansionist Baul actors to just use the association of this lineages lived stories, take their names off and just throw it out there as generic a cultural homogenization of the real lived stories converted to random stories of the fake Bauls.
This is insidious and a very subtle intellectual indigenous property theft, you would not even know unless someone else knew the history like Babu Kishan does because he has preserved Baul over 60 years. He lived it right along side of his Grandpa Guru and his father Purna Das Baul he is the eldest of his generation, the eldest of all the Bauls right now. He may not where a custom, he is unassuming, accomplished, an award winning Indian Music Composer and who has a special expertise in Baul songs, Baul Poets, Baul Kirtans and the Folk Music of India, he has recorded more Folk Music super stars and categorized the Folk Music of India for all the big record companies of India. This is of interest because he knows who is singing what and who has poached the Baul songs from his lineage.
There are so many things this lineage is a first and last at doing as part of their already lived Baul history, their association, temples, Indian cinema, and pioneering Baul outside India.
Their history has been wiped clean and claimed by nakal pretendian fake Bauls as random stories. It is important that these non-indigenous Bauls are called out, because Baul is being used and abused to agenda's and the Ma and Baba fake Guru business.
The cultural icon of India over since the 1950's legacy and Nabani Das Khyapa Baul legacy along with Brajabala Dasi, Radharani Dasi, Manju Das and at the very least 13 generations to the 14th and 15th century is either being erased, name dropped, copied, poached as a part of fake lineage. This story must be told it has gone on for too long, Sri Sri was never part of Baul.
WE LIVE IN A POST TRUTH-ERA.
The actual Bengali term that has been used for fake Bauls is Nakal Baul, a term that implies imitation, copying or faking Baul. Or Jaiyat Baul is a term that can imply, fake, artificial or pretentious.
In English charlatan a person who falsely claims to have knowledge, skills or expertise. Pretender Someone who claims to have qualities of achievements they don't actually possess.
A plagiarist is someone who passes off others' work, ideas or intellectual property as their own.
An Imposter is a person who pretends to be someone they are not or claims to have qualities they don't possess.
Fake is a person who falsely claims to have a particular identity, skill or achievement.
'Nakal Baul' creates Cultural exploitation, they are outside of Baul and pretending they are inside, they do not understand the nuances of Baul. They exploit Baul cultural practices, poems, say Baul does not care who the poets are, lyrics, tune, songs, Kirtans, dance, dress, style, instruments, their history of where have gone and what indigenous ancestral Bauls have already accomplished as a matter of the survival of their owned lineage, their Baul history full and final, all their firsts and lasts. They exploit Baul spirituality for their own gain, without proper understanding, respect, or compensation to the indigenous people they took the information from, such as stealing Babu Kishan's songs, and the songs of this lineage, and what has been written as to their lived stories is poached. This is a serious problem and perhaps they thought nobody was watching because nobody said anything for so long. Time is up, it is time to reclaim Baul, preserve Baul authentically, and bring Baul back to the indigenous inner roots!
Loss of traditional knowledge, the influx of external influences erodes traditional Baul practices, music and their cultural heritage which their ancestors gave up their lives for hundreds if not thousands of years to protect and preserve.
Cultural Homogenization, I use the term making Baul random and generic. The unique identity of the indigenous Bauls is threatened by Nakal Baul who destroys their identity by acting out Baul and knowing nothing of the nuances that make one a Baul. This disrupts, marginalizes the social fabric and dynamics that are Baul.
This is an example for others in India who are now trying to reclaim their indigenous ancestral rights and traditions. For indigenous people this is a fundamental right of all indigenous traditions, to self-determine who they are without self-titled experts and fake pretendian Baul destroying, waterdown, reducing who Baul is? There has been too much fakery going on since this lineage made Baul popular, too many talking who are not from Baul, but decided Baul was a good way to collect donations, people and fundraise for big financial jackpots to preserve Baul, when Baul has already been preserved for the past 60 years in every way by Krishnendu Das Baul aka Babu Kishan.
Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das Baul in his 4th book on Baul to be released soon. A comprehensive historical dialogue on how to ask the necessary questions so that can determine accurately for yourself, who is an authentic Baul or Guru in general, how to get past false narratives and to the truth, for you to decide, that is real freedom and self-realization, not building anything a cult of personality. Build it for yourself, not for some random fake representative of enlightenment.
Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das, has no part of this article, yes he read it, and he is angry mostly at me he does not want their name on his blog, because he says I am promoting these 2 nakal Bauls. He knows who Sanatan Das Baul was all too well, he knows all the stories. He doesn't want their names near his lineage, or associated with his name, because of the theft of his lineages songs, dance, style and the attempted murder of his father.
He say's I am degrading this lineage by even mentioning their names, unequivocally they are not Baul. He will address it further when our book is completely published, we can not release anymore songs or explain completely without a complete copyright, because it will be poached, so until the book is released we main silent on more of why, who and how.
I do not always listen to my husband and I feel this is necessary to protect others from this cult of personalty and acting. I think this is important for people to know. What you do with this information is up to you, if you remain blind there is nothing anybody can do.
Thus, the blog post is here only for a limited time.
It will be archived and only the part that is in his 4th book is the poisoning and attempted murder of Babu Kishan's father, at Monohar Kepa's ashram in Kenduli Birbhum W Bengal. This murder attempt the poisoning happened during the Joy Dev Mela in the 1970's and the culprit was Sanatan Das Baul aka Sri Sri blah blah blah just a poor man who suffered due to partition and needed a way to survive, it is not that there is not compassion there, but this propaganda that is being pushed today by his student shows is a perfect example of how a Guru effect the results of a student and how important it is better not to have a Guru than to have a fake Guru.
This part must remain part of Baul history because his student is spreading lies and continuing the assassination of this lineage by intellectual property theft, indigenous theft and indigenous fraud to be more accurate. Now Calling Baul Samarat (Padma Shree) with a handful of President Awards a Shilipi Baul?
The rest of this research of Baul is my research (Trishula Das) over a 20 years period, because of my obsessive interest in the Cult mentality since the 1970's, and this new phenomena I will never understand the sway of social media fake fame.
This is the critique of R Rodham and Parvathy B?
Babu Kishan has made it very clear to me he has no interest in hearing anything about them or listening to what they are saying. He can't listen to someone who does not really know anything about regarding Baul. He just can't hear the stupidity. In today's world we are more enlightened about indigenous intellectual property theft and fake Guru's over the past 30 at the very least it has been the topic of documentaries where people have been seriously damaged and looted.
Baul history and her-story are at an extreme sensitive point in time and most people would say there is no more Baul. That is somewhat true and the last thing Baul needs is a savior of Baul a fake Baul twising narratives and abusing the history of Baul to fit their collection of people. It is spin spin spin just like politics today, spin spin spin of the intellectual property of this one and only lineage, the lineage who brought Baul to all of India and worldwide, through the teaching of Baul, and as Cultural representatives of India worldwide since the 1950's.
Baul at this sensitive point in time, as all indigenous people are and their traditions are under threat from outside forces pretending to be Baul the real Shilpi Bauls, Baul actors, fake Bauls from fake Baul lineages.
The videos presented by these 2 fake Baul artists and actors the real shilpi Bauls is reductionism and the watering down of Baul, they do not know the nuances, they have been stealing the intellectual property of this lineage for decades, we have said nothing, but give hints, it is insane that people are so surface, a few people have noticed but the general public has fed into this blatant rip off of Baul, as one Baul called these are the "fake it til you make it' Bauls who ride on the coattails of this lineage.
Babu Kishan does not want me to speak out, he says everybody knows who they are. I do not believe so, there is a whole new generation of young people being mislead down a cultish path, there time wasted and they are being lied to. As an elder person who has had a keen interest in Cult Watch and the mind virus of Cults, I can no longer let this go unqualified. This article is a long one, it could be a whole book as I have documented this phenom regarding Baul for 20 years.
Go on making false narratives that show your lack of nuance regarding Baul because this is just the beginning, all will be exposed and I have enough material to prove who you are.
She is so out of tune, it hurts Babu Kishan's ears, the ear drums of oral Sanskrit-ist, a inborn successful award winning Music Composer when he was 11 years old. By the way Babu Kishan recorded the tunes for many of the Baul songs stolen, the intellectual property of this lineage and many are his lyrics and Nabani Das Baul lyrics. He composed music for and recorded over 80% Purna Das Baul music. If you steal it or have taken it you will be called out.
Every Baul nuance is wrong. Babu Kisha can tell he has worked in Indian Cinema for 40 years and is a Indian Music Composer he knows all the actresses, he know the game, he is a adept at face reading he can see right through who is a good actor and who is not, he can take one look and see who is who, and he has been doing this since the 1970's the only problem is he always has mercy for people even people who steal his life work. I do not have mercy though.
He says she is 100% (not) a Baul and has always said oh well let it go. No way, I am not letting this one go, it has been let go for too long and has to be exposed, with no mercy. I am from the west, I have been practicing yoga since the 1970's I have seen it all, I have seen the damage and abuse by people who have come from India and the ignorance of the west regarding Yoga, Bhakti Yoga, Kirtan, and especially Tantra. These 2 are not humble but look humble it is an act, they like a certified yoga teacher, who knows enough to create some sort of attention, can name drop but didn't actually do the sadhana or put in the time 24/7 with a authentic Baul Guru, who knows what attracts people the jata (dread locks) in this case are the gimmick. They know and have poaches just enough fluff to dupe people and by the way her Guru never was a Baul.
The goal of Babu Kishan's new book is to teach you how to ask the questions on what is a real Baul and what is not. If you don't know the questions to ask you will never know who is real and who is not, and part of knowing is understanding the real history and her-story of Baul so that you are armed with the Yoga of Baul and ready to not be duped.
Their advertising story looks great on the outside, oh she is so humble, well lets critique a bit of this actor acting out humility, acting as the Baul ready to be ordained a Saint by a Guru who is of a questionable story. You need to do research specifically asking for controversy regarding this Guru and his associations.
Babu Kishan does not endorse "that women" in anyway, and does not give her permission to poach his songs, or the songs of this lineage and re-record them. He says an authentic Baul knows who the poets are.
A soul who follow the crowd will get no further than the crowd. Babu Kishan is an expert at Purva Paksha and knowing who is real and who in not in the Guru business, more on that later.
Babu Kishan knew her Guru, Sanatan Das Baul, and says he is not a Baul. He copied everything from his grandfather (Guru) Nabani Das Khyapa Baul who did not like Sanatan.
Her Guru had an extreme jealousy of Babu Kishan's father, 'Baul Samarat, Pandit, Purna Das Baul now in his 90's. This jealousy was because millions of people would come and see Purna Das Baul. Purna Das Baul was the first and last famous indigenous ancestral Baul singer. The Baul singer and this lineage songs that all random fake Baul singers copied. They copied his songs, voice style, his dress, where he went and what he did, they all copied 'Das Baul' self-titling themselves, they are still wearing the colourful patchwork dress that Babu Kishan designed for his dad, yes even Sanatana not (Das Baul) wore Babu Kishan's designed dress.
Purna Das Baul now in his 90's was also the most famous India Vocalist in the 1960's, and onward outside of India, they traveled and were close friends with Sitarist Pandit Ravi Shankar, Ali Akbar Khan, Zakir Husain and the whole classical music contingent who represented India outside of India, Purna Das Baul was the first famous Indian vocalist outside of India and inside of India, he was always a special guest to all the major Gurus of India and PM Indira Gandhi and other Presidents and PM of India, this family was especially close to the late President of India Pranab Mukherjee in more than one way .
The murder attempt on Baul Samrat Purna Das Baul.
The Poisoning of Baul Samrat (Padma Shri) Pandit Purna Das Baul, the son of Nabani Das Khyapa Baul. In all of Baul history Purna Das Baul is the most famous Baul singer, in his day they did not internet let alone 'social media fake fame'. He is an indigenous Baul born in Ekachakra Birbhum W Bengal during in 1930's and into his (90's) recognized by many Presidents of India and highly celebrated Cultural history of India.
Through Nabani Das Khyapa Baul, his eldest son Purna Das Baul, and Purna's eldest son raised by Nabani until Nabanis passing in 1969 Krishnendu Das Baul aka Babu Kishan who without no one in this world would know anything about Baul. Today their legacy, lendary stories, history, their intellectual property is under threat by fakes who have no shame in poaching their lived lives, stories songs, where they have done decades of Sadhana and the only Baul ever to be associated with Tarapith, KanKali Tala, Rabindranath Tagore, Ramakrishna Mission, Vivekananada, on and on and the west teaching Baul in the west since the 1970's not just music but these Baul in every sense. Om Goodness the audacity to try to claim their Baul history by making up a shadow history based on lies and all their associations. The nerve to call Purna Das Baul a shilpi Baul pushed me over the limit, I can not sit her and just take these lies anymore.
This lineage has been stolen, reworked and presented as a new lineage of fakery and lies, with their names taken off or name dropped?
Truth Talk, a Satya (truth) even rebel truth that goes against social media fame, is revealed, for the sake of the indigenous ancestral history of correct preservation of Baul, free from false narratives to collect, dupe, funding of financial jackpots, donation through false narratives and fake Bauls.
This is where the story of Purna Das Baul and how jealousy is dangerous for someone who has millions of people loving, listening to and the creation of fame. This story is part of Baul history, and gets sad and very dangerous because of jealousy. There is a pattern repeating itself here, it may not be death through poisoning, but death of an ancient indigenous ancestry historical lineage through lies and fakery, and the theft of their legacy and indigenous intellectual property, the intellectual wisdoms they have preserved for more that 13 generations and Babu Kishan has preserved his whole life of more that 60 years?
'Sanatan Das Baul' felt so much malice towards Purna Das Baul he orchestrated an attempted to murder of Purna Das Baul by poisoning him. Yes, the same late Sanatan Das Baul who is celebrated as Sri Sri and is used by social media fake famed Parvathy B?
Sanatan Das Baul almost succeeded killing him, it was horrible, can you imagine trying to survive a vicious poisoning murder attemp? The police were in involved at a very high level, and they wanted to charge Sanatan Das Baul with murder, they were going to charge him as he sat in jail.
After a long deliberation and very lucky for him, Manju Das the wife of Purna Das Baul had a change of heart and convinced the police to let Santan Das Baul go. Sanatan Das Baul was the culprit. Sanatan Das Baul (who is not a real Baul) a self-titled Baul, decided it would cause damage to his wife and kids and didn't press charges, I would say that is very generous. The same Manju Das who is the first Women Baul to travel the world, but yet has had her legacy twisted when Parvathy Baul claimed her position in Baul history as the first Women Baul to travel the outside of India?
It seems very odd how at all costs Parvathy B (that Women as she shall be called now) has been using the intellectual property of this lineage, yet, in the past has taken their names off the stories claiming everything this lineage has already completed as full and final Baul history. Does anybody actual do research, the answer is no, people today are swayed by emotion, charm, the jata gimick, smiley people with no essence or nuances of Baul.
Until this past video by Rodham's who is "that Women's" partner speaking about Baul cherry picked from this lineage and this blog, telling stories only Babu Kishan has told?
He uses a picture of Purna Das Baul on the video but calls him a shilpi Baul, how dare he. He slides into his fake mish-mashed false narratives of trying to attract people, collect people and funds for their fake lineage, fake Baul Guru. He has the audacity to call Purna Das Baul shilpi Baul which is sort of a slang towards any Baul. When no one would even know about Baul with Purna Das Baul and the work they have done teaching Baul worldwide, why do you think Baul became to popular and the focus of Academic Scholars worldwide, and book writers worldwide, it is only because of Purna Das Baul because he is Baul Samarat the name given to him by a President of India and all the Bauls, and before him his father Nabani Das Khyapa Baul? (remember Purna Das Baul is now in his 90's) and unable to defend himself, this is more disturbing than anything, this has awakened and angered my husband who is Purna Das Baul's eldest son and is part of all the Baul history, yet his name has been completely deleted from Baul history and he then is angered at me for writing about this, but, I do not like liars and cheaters or fake Guru's they have destroyed and invaded North America for too, long. We don't need any more fakes.
Purna Das Baul had to stop attending the 'Joy Dev Mela' because of this murder attempt and the threat to his life, after that he was given huge security because he was a celebrated Cultural icon of India who sang at the opening of Indira Gandhi Speeches and Rajiv Gandhi's speeches, because Nabani Das Khyapa Baul as part of the Freedom Movement was recruited by Nehru to sing before his speeches, and Nabani Das Khyapa Baul (a strong Tantric and last Baul Avadhut) had pulling power, he sang at the angaeration of Indian in 1947. Yet, this uneducated student now Sri Sri feels he has the right to poach stories directly of this blog or our websites and call Purna Das Baul so flipantly as if he is an authority on Baul a shilipi Baul. More than anything they are destroying Baul history?
Understand Rodham is using shilipi Baul which is used in a derogatory sense, it is so obvious, the goal is to intellectual property theft. It is essential to recognize that the term 'Shilipi Baul can be stigmatizing and its use can perpetuate negative stereotypes. Buy you knew this now called Sri Sri Ramachandra Rohdham, you called Purna Das Baul a shilipi Baul, and exalt Sanatan Das Baul as a Baul saint when you know it is all a lie, you are duping people and disgusting to give false narratives to elevate yourself. You talk about Tarapith and Kankali Tali shakti peeth when Nabani Das Khyapa Baul was the only authentic Baul Guru who actually has done real Baul sadhana and was associated with these Shakti peeth as a Baul Avadhut? Because, I have written about this on this blog and on my website which you have looted.
Shilipi is a street artist, a wandering minstrel of a lower class or caste.
- Of a lower social class: The term might be used to suggest that the person is from a marginalized or lower-caste background
- A street performer or beggar: The term might imply that the person is someone who performs on the streets or begs for alms, rather than being a respected artist or musician.
- Lacking in refinement or education: The term might be used to suggest that the person is uneducated or lacking in cultural refinement.
Purna Das Baul had to have a huge amount of security, he drew crowds in the millions not because he was a shilpi Baul? Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and then Purna Das Baul were always until the poisoning,the main attraction, the reason why Bauls and Gosia showed up. Sad, disturbing by absolutely true. They were the only reason over the past century that the Joy Dev Mela in Kenduli Birbhum remained popular and their ancestors since the temple started in the 12th century have kept the temple and memory of Joy Dev alive as they are the only Vaishnava Sahajiya Bauls? Not Sanatan Das Baul he is not from there, his ancestors were not Baul, they may have been something else, but he only started Baul by watching Nabani Das Baul and copying everything from Purna Das Baul. You can not make this up and why would you. It is a stain on Baul history. Parvathy should be ashamed of herself furthering this toxic time, I guess it is really true the shishy will be like the Guru, one has to be careful who you chose as Guru because associations are repeated.
It is necessary to 'tell the truth' for far too long this one and only Baul lineage has been silent through all the poaching of their songs, stories, way of life, dress, dance, and musical instruments, where they go and what they have accomplished, Purna Das Baul has been silent he is inner he let his wife and eldest son do everything, Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das worked for his father as a Music Composer, composing 80% if his fathers most famous music, the Baul music copied and re-recorded by the pretendian Bauls. The intellectual theft has been ignored and after watching for 20 years and more recently it has become viral, you do what you want with this information, but it is the truth and only a critique of 2, there are many others to be critiqued also.
Disclaimer; this blog post is written, researched over 2 decades on all aspects of the one and only pioneering lineage by me Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das Baul wife that is why my last name is Das it is not a title I gave myself and Trishula is the name Babu Kishan gave me on the banks of the Ganges in Hardwar outside my Anandamayi Ma's ashram, I have been a devottee of Anandmayi Ma since the 1980's she is my Guru along with Neem Karoli Baba who I have been connected too since the 1980's. I was surprised when Krishnendu aka Babu Kishan told of his Baul families relationship with Anandamayi Ma and his own personal relationship over a long period of time, this lineage of Bauls are the only Bauls to have anything association with Anandamayi Ma or Sita Ram Omkarnath, no other Bauls knew them or associated with them. Babu Kishan calls me his 'writer fighter, probably because I am a martial artist with a sword. My name is Sandra Trishula Das I am an eternal researcher, a Vedic Astrologer, Photographer, blogger for over 50 years. I have had careers in the business world, print media, and the travel industry, I has spent decades practicing, learning, researching and experimenting with shamanism, past life regressions, hypnosis, yoga nidra, trance, mind and have been doing an avid study of Cults and mind control and because I have researched since the 1970's I can see a cult mentality in the making regarding Baul. Time to wake up and call this out their tenacles as spokes people for Baul must stop.
Pictue to be provided later.
Trishula Das outside of Anandamayi Ma's ashram, looking in at her Samadhi 2007 she was a real Saint. Today, nobody knows what a saint is they just throw it around. If someone calls you a Saint, run. Nabani Das Khyapa Baul was the last Baul Saint he left in 1969, no one now is a Baul Avadhut, what an insult to even suggest that, the ego and arrogance are astounding, the fishing and hunting for followers is a sickness masquerading as fake humility.
No I am not a Baul how can I be, how could I have the audacity to title myself as 'Baul' even after 20 years with an authentic Baul Guru who does not want to sell his inner Baul to anyone. I am not indigenous to Baul that is the first point and question. Is the person presenting themselves as a Baul even indigenous to Baul, and was their Sri Sri Baul Guru even a Baul, we know he poached this whole indigenous family, but who was his Guru and how many generations did he have behind him, this is of the utmost importance in determining who is Baul? You have to learn the questions to ask, before you understand who is a fake and who is authentic and it is not judged by dress, dread locks, personality, smile it is judged by actions, not on camera, or when in a performance because anybody can learn to do Baul dance and singing, just like anybody can learn to act.
My martial arts Sifu used to get annoyed when someone perfected some style and acted with ego, he said anybody can learn this, it is your character that counts, what are your intentions, do you steal and tell lies, this is more important than learning a technique and bragging or lying.
Once you lie, steal or cheat you karma is destroyed as your character is destroyed. Does the person acting out Baul really have the indigenous authority or inherent right to use Baul making up false narratives, you may get away with it for awhile but sooner or later your actions will catch up with you, or don't have a conscience and it just does not matter I think that is called psychopath, these type always have a smile on their face, an inauthentic smile that is acted out because they learned to do this as part of performance. No any non-indigenous person to Baul does not have a right to indigenous intellectual property according to the United Nations indigenous rights to self-determination.
I have listened 24/7 documenting, researching everything about Baul for 20 years very closely, they ruin it for all the other Bauls who are just simple performers in the village, the ones that can really sing and have talent whether Baul or not. Babu Kishan has always loved talent and was successful in developing talent in Indian Cinema for 40 years, he worked with all the actors, producers, singers, film-makers and musicians, music composers. He inner world is Baul as he is indigenous to it, his Guru is Nabani Das Khyapa Baul from birth, he can multitask, he is more Baul, he lives Baul everyday and is an energetic fire that I have never felt from anyone in the world.
He does not collect followers, he works in a mystical way healing people and doing all sorts of invisible things silently, this is Baul. He has taught Baul since he was born, silently to a group of people nobody is know about. He does not and never has shown his power. He just does what he does.
I have read and collected, all the books, academic papers, internet, advertisements, youtube videos, magazine articles, newspaper writings, as I have a great translator, although many times he has railed against me, but I am can't help it, I am an eternal search for the truth, I don't like fake people or liars and I love my husband.
Babu Kishan does not want to be associated or even have his name or his families name Purna Das Baul or Nabani Das Khyapa Baul on their videos or used by these 2 fakes, he says there is no comparison between his lineage and these hawker scammer Bauls.
This has not been easy for me to write and Babu Kishan has asked me not to use, 'that women's name on his blog. However I believe she must be called out, many like her, that is your prerogative. I believe the audience has not been educated on what is real Baul and what is not, they just believe anything they see, however, know the lineage is not a lineage, her Guru is not a Baul Guru, her dance Ektara, Baya (duggi) the drum tied around her waist and her ankle bells are Nabani Das khyapa Baul style appropriated from this lineage. They did not come from her any other source. The songs she sings are mostly copied from this lineage with no credit ever given.
As a matter of fact everything she does, everywhere she goes is directly copied from this lineage. As you read along and it is a long read I ask you to use your intellect, discrimination and understand a huge appropriation and making this lineage random and generic has been underway for a long time now. This is what has lead to the marginalization of the indigenous Bauls. This is what has watered down and reduced Baul, not folk songs and not the lack of practice. Baul has always been secret, this article gives you a hint as to why Baul was secret.
There is no association between indigenous ancestral Baul Gosia Chand and her or her man or her Guru who tried to murder Babu Kishan's father, he got away with it, because of mercy, however, you have to know this story it is part of Baul history and I am not feeling any mercy anymore, Babu Kishan well he may feel differently, however, I heard the story from him and it wasn't a pleasant poisoning.
Bengal when Babu Kishan grew up there was a spiritual giant, today it is a spiritual dwarf, because of lying, cheating and the lack of authentic sadhikas (females) or male (sadhaka's) or upasika's, regarding Baul.
Baul or Baulini, everybody today wants instant fame, to travel the world and live the life, and is fundraising for a financial jackpot through social media, they are all actors. Nothing wrong with any of this but to use and indigenous ancestral marginalized lineage to do it is a sin. 'That women has not got a clue about Baul, every video I have listened to there are some holes, many holes and generalizations, even I know more that her, that still does not make me a Baul, I will never be a Baul.
All I can say is I am a spiritual researcher. I have to laugh in 2005 I went to Europe as a tour assistant with one of Neem Karoli Baba's first American disciples to help with the kirtan tour I brought a suit case full of books to study Jyotish in our spare time. No funny business with me research, sadhana, and learning all the time. I had many deep experiences around Neem Karoli Baba for decades but they were so vivid and real at this time.
I have so many deep personal stories to tell. When I met Babu Kishan 20 years ago, I showed up with the trunk of my car full of Indian spiritual books and made him go through them all with me, he just looked at me and said these book have all of our Indian information in then, they were mostly written by westerner copied from Indian texts. From Babu Kishan I learned to hear the story and remember it and oh man if I can't remember, he will say I told you, don't ask me again.
His wisdom is coming from some other place, he is directly connected to his Guru, Nabani lives inside of him. He won't tell me again, it is a one time and then he tests me. His Guru's did not make it easy on him, it wasn't always a pleasant experience. Because of my interest, he has downloaded everything about Baul that I can understand, as a western I have my limits, but I have learned more than I ever wanted to.
https://lineagebaul.blogspot.com/2025/02/indigenous-identity-theft-indigenous.html
https://indiafolkheritageofbengal.weebly.com/cultural-misappropriation.html
There are not 20,000 Bauls in India that is the biggest lie ever told and this can be verified. No he is no Sri Sri, his title is Rodham form south Indian who only drifted to Baul in 2012 can you imagine, has already made wild claims, name dropping and has poached a story about Nabani Das Khyapa Baul that was only ever told by Babu Kishan, this is the character you are watching on videos plastered all over the internet.
The intellectual property is not up for grabs any more, the character of others has been shown, poaching is not a great character trait, it is stealing and if one is saying they are from a Yoga Parampara one should not steal the intellectual property from this lineage or anywhere.
This lineage only has been associated with Rabindranath Tagore, and their ancestor is Nityananda of Ekachakra Birbhum, you should not be using any of these names as part of your story because you are not related to this lineage and are a know intellectual property thief. Nityanada Gosia is a different lineage, it is this lineage who only kept and knew his stories and kept them alive, why do you feel so entitled to use someone else's ancestry.
Do you not have your own ancestry try using that instead of poaching everything from this lineage watering it down and destroying the nuances, that you most certainly always leave out. Who are your ancestors, what did they do, talk about that. We are not going to teach you because you are not to be trusted, just keep acting?
This lineage is Gosai Chand or Chandra Das Baul and Dasi.
There is no other lineage, if your Guru or others are using Das Baul and Dasi they have copied it from this lineage as they have copied all this lineage songs, kirtans, and Baul Bhakti and Baul Tantra, yoga.
The pretendian fake Bauls are using and abusing the intellectual property of this lineage, this has been going on for a long time. I am here to protect and clarify what no indigenous Baul has wanted to say because they are disgusted and do not want to be associated with this hucksters. They are spreading misinformation I can only think trying to dupe people into joining them?
The thing that makes Baul unique is that thy never collect people. As Rodham said on one video, come and join us?
A authentic Baul naturally attracts in a natural and spontaneous way, they never say come join us?
Baul is on its last legs, because of fakery, watering down, and reductionism by Baul actors (shilpi Bauls) 'you' and they dare to call Baul Samarat (Padma Shree) a shilpi Baul with no shame, just pure arrogance and matter of fact, well here I go. No matter how Babu Kishan feels about his father, he will always love him and he is from this lineage, he is the son of Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and knows more than you will ever know, he just doesn't teach it to people like you, he hold Baul closely as does Babu Kishan.
They are actors Pretending, they are holier than thou, oh and she is Saint, a Baul Avadhut, give me a break, character, character tells you who someone is? Baul is on its last legs, because of Parvathy B (that woman) and people like her. The very person who is now trying to fundraise to preserve Baul, when she has completely appropriated this lineage but without the essence and nuances, those she will never get, unless she poaches them from our book, it hasn't stopped her in the past. Now is the time to tell the truth, I don't care if she has a thousand likes, if you think she is authentic because she has many followers on fb, Babu Kishan always says to me in his Baul way, prostitutes have more, I know that sound crude, he says it means nothing, she can have millions of people it means nothing if you do not have character.
Time rules, but love wins. by Babu Kishan, this is his old saying.
Let everybody have their time, character will create karma and they will have to live their karma.
You have things or not the main thing is Kali Ma and Krishna/Radha are with you.
1st tenant - of Baul, Satya, tell the truth at all costs.
2nd tenant - of Baul be none stealing, that includes stealing the intellectual property of others and this lineage of ancestral indigenous Bauls, their songs, style, dance, instruments, where they go, what they have done?
' That women' who is claiming that people think Baul songs are Folk songs, lol in the past she advertised herself as a Folk Singer? At the same time that Babu Kishan was talking about folk music, because he is a expert, academically and because he has compose music for the biggest Folk Singers of Bengal and in Indian Cinema, the biggest Folk singers of India. He has categorized all the folk music of India for all the big recording companies of Bombay. He is a folk hero, but that has nothing to do with Baul. Perhaps she though oh that is a good thing to add to her repertoire, just as she has added everything else from this lineage and Babu Kishan's life.
The only thing he lived it, he was a monk in the Ramakrishna mission for 12 years 24/7 in sadhana and learning. There is a big difference in reading book and mommy and daddy were devotee's, how on earth does that association come through when you are using the ancestry of this lineage and family but that your mommy and daddy exposed you to Ramakrishna all of sudden mean you are associated with Ramakrishna.
Babu Kishan is the only Baul associated with Ramakrishna Mission that is part of this lineages Baul history, and what about Indian Cinema, and Babu Kishan's career teaching at Universities, as his wife it is so obvious, stop copying my husbands like trying to make lose associations as if you actually did the work. This really anger me and it is so obvious, get lost, stop poaching his songs. People need to know all this, they need to know your real character, not just your acting innocent act.
However, in the end he is the only expert on Baul songs and Baul kirtans, because he recorded them all and categorized them all, he worked with all the old Bauls, spiritual Gurus and folk singers across India, he is the expert on Indian music and knows who is good and who is not.
Picture to be provided at a later date
Baul is only going extinct, because of people like you (fake pretendian hunter Bauls) who steal the intellectual property of this lineage and where you can.
LOL I listened to the video 'Baul and Tantra' what a mishmash of playing authority so slanted there are no nuances about Baul Tantra and historical Baul Tantra, this is a travel info commercial a touching on every as many aspects of Bengal and as many spiritual traditions to show how qualifed this person is not. Listen I will tell you, there is authentic lived Baul history and there is fake made up trying to be this what this lineage has lived. This is what is going on with these 2 they are trying to be everything this lineage has already accomplished as lived Baul history. They do not know any of the nuances of Baul, it is an act. The gaul to say, Purna Das Baul is a shilipi Baul, is a back handed back slap, unbelievable and how dare you.
You have no right to even talk about Purna Das Baul, your so-called, self-titled Guru tried to murder Purna Das Baul. This story has to be everywhere and Babu Kishan has way more stories where that came from about your Guru. You do know that Babu Kishan knew Sanatan (Das Baul)? You can fool some of the people for a time but, you have gone over the line.
After poaching from this blog, and this lineages songs, dress and Nabani Das Khyapa Baul songs and style you are banned from using any intellectual property or songs from this lineage.
You didn't serious think what she is presenting has not been poached from this lineage did you?
The songs "that women" has already poached will have to be accounted for, because we can not allow this use anymore. We are going public to tell the truth.
Get ready that is all I can say.
Do not use Baul, because you are not a Baul and have misused Baul for a long time now.
You are using Baul to make money, you do not have any Baul essence or even know the nuances of Baul. Baul is failing, because you are stealing the intellectual property of this lineage and reworking it, watering it down, reducing the intellectual indigenous property, as an indigenous intellectual theft, and indigenous Fraud.
Baul is not failing, because this lineage brought Baul to all of India, and worldwide. You are twisting narratives without knowing the history of Baul, you take bits and pieces and have created a smear campaign against all the work of Babu Kishan, Purna Das Baul and Nabani Das Khyapa Baul have already completed as Baul history. They did not create a platform for Baul so that you could destroy it, or use for your hawker business. It is all acting.
Nobody can be as perfectly syrupy acting humbler than thought as these fakes, the comments that are left on their videos are always the same, such love and devotion.
Baul was always a bit contradictory, paradoxical, truth talking at all costs?
Today Baul is all marketing, who can tell the taller tail, and look like the authority on Baul. The fake Guru business of which Babu Kishan has watched for decades all over India, and has qualified these people, he knows the techniques to do so, the questions to ask and he will be doing this in the near future, there must be debate and someone who actually knows what is going on to speak out.
Bauls pushed the limit on reality, conservatism and on rhetoric, they never lied fake or liars and had their techniques to call them out.
Bauls were honest at all costs, they are full of metaphor, paradox, riddle, and allegory, they only associated with the top intellects and always did seva to the villagers of Birbhum.
No seva no Baul, not getting other to do seva (service) for you, getting them to touch your feet and exalt you? That is the opposite of Baul. Just a little hint when someone calls you a Saint, never believe them, there is a reason for that, either you are being tested or they want something for you, you may be good business for them. If you are any kind of tantric that is the sign to run as fast as yo can. The character of people is important.
Bauls are the greatest of intellects and philosophers, it has been watered down to the dust of garbage of false narratives by hawkers who want Sri Sri exhaled Maa and Baba status, they want to fundraise to preserve Baul when Baul has already been preserved by Krishnendu Das Baul aka Babu Kishan or 60 years.
A Baul never wants blind followers to worship them, or touch their feet demanding respect as Baba or maa which is a get rich quick scheme or fake it til you make it, while riding on the coattails of this lineage?
What is going on is pure bull shit, there is no other way to say it.
These grifters want you to be stupid, they want you think they are the saviours of Baul, going to do what Vivekananda did, that time is over. Baul has been in America almost full time since the 1960's. Baul lives her now, it is just Baul does not work that way, Baul is different from what is propogated as Baul today,
They are 100% the reason for the destruction of Baul, not folk music, not because Bauls love music, but because of the fake pretendian hawker Bauls who have sold out Baul which never belonged to them.
Baul is going extinct because of the fake pretendian hawkers who are not even Baul. They are not indigenous to Baul, they have marginalized Baul and killed Baul. Bauls are an energetic fire and now a meow, look how humble and sweet I am, meow, a giggle stupid smiley group.
Babu Kishan has been teaching at Universities around the world and doing Cultural Programs as a representative of India through ICCR and Sangeet Natak Academi since the early 1970's even today he still does cultural programs time permitting. The west does not need any more fake Guru Baba and Ma wanna be's?
It was Purna Das Baul and Laxshman Das who sang for Bhaktivendanta Prabhupada in 1967 in Central Park.
Prabhupada knew this family, he knew Babu Kishan grandfathers Nabani Das Khapa Baul and Jogesh Dash who was a professor of Sanskrit from Dhaka University. This lineage and Gaudiya Math were tied together though this lineages ancestor Nita or Nityananda of Ekachakra Birbhum We Bengal where all the ancestors of this lineages bone are. This lineage has fundraised for Gaudiya Math for hundreds of year. The Vaishnava Sahajiya Bauls of Birbhum are indigenous to the soul and soil of Birbhum. An indigenous Baul can only self-determine who is Baul.
Baul is (vayu tula) Baul was never called 'siddha acharya's' or Baul Master. Why, do you feel you can altar what Baul is?
This lineage of Baul is Gosia Chand Das Baul and Dasi and is only this lineage that of Nityanada of Ekachakra. Lineage assumes ancestral as in 13 generations going back to Nityananda of Ekachakra. Today, no other Bauls are related to this one and only lineage. Certainly not Parvathy and her Rodham.
The dis-information and cherry picking by these too is banned from this blog, or any of our material, including all the songs, which you have stolen many. She (that women) looks innocent and speaks softly but that is an act. Time is up, we have no association with them and their false narratives.
Please stop stealing the intellectual property of this lineage and making up lies.
'That women' is still teaching false teachings that there are 4 types of Baul Aul Sai Dervish Fakir? These are Islamic terms, another incorrect wrong teaching, it was copied from 'BabuKishan.com' in the early somewhere up until 2006 and later written from his old website notes in Calcutta copied and pasted by Silina who wrote Baul Philosophy copy and pasting Babu Kishan notes without his permission into the book Baul Philosophy, you know the book you copied the title of every chapter as to what you were going to teach in a workshop? That is beyond bizarre, yup I caught and documented that one.
BabuKishan.com was the firs Baul website everybody copied from it is where the fake Baul such as this one first learned about Baul, unfortunately Babu Kishan lost that website in 2006, due to the death of his webmaster Mary Johnson. There are 4 types of Baul was added incorrectly, because everybody copied everything from Babu Kishan's website at the time it spread far and wide, all Bauls copied without any discrimination'. Obviously Parvathy Baul didn't get the message, she is repeating false narrative over and over, this is not accurate? She is trying to put every wandering person from Bengal under the Baul umbrella, as she has read in books. Honestly, she changes faster than anything I have seen, or documented over 2 decades.
I think we need to put more fake implants in our Baul, this way we can identify who is copying and who is not, I think that is a good idea to sift out the grifters.
Only this lineage made Baul popular, BabuKishan's 4th book will explain accurately 'Baul history'. He has been teaching Baul all over the world since the 1967's in cultural programs, at universities, temples, yoga studio's, community halls.
They did not just sing songs and Babu Kishan who is expert in all of Indian music as a accomplished award winning Indian Music Composer knows the difference between Baul, Bhajan, Kirtan and all of the spiritual music of India, he know who can sing and who can not sing correctly, who are the Baul poets and where the music came from, who is poaching what songs. Do not play over smart with him because he knows every song you have poached, he is the only expert left.
Folk songs have no destroyed Baul, fake pretendian hawkster Baul have, people faking Baul and teaching the wrong narratives have, hmm that looks like you. Don't blame the hippies of the west, all the fake Bauls sit around like daddy cool smoking marijuana today, however, I am sure you know this because you are acting like you know everything. I wrote about this in a book, stop acting.
We understand that Baul songs and Kirtans are not Folk Songs. The Ektara foundation is about Baul songs and kirtans because that is Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu indigenous ancestral ancient Cultural Lineage.
He has preserved his lineages songs, Kirtans, practices for over 60 years, that is his legacy and his spiritual base and he is the only authority of that.
He, however, is a accomplished inborn and trained the highest level Music Composer, lyricist, Music producer and an Indian Music Composer of all of Indian Music. I waste so much time qualifying only because, today every body is a Music Composer, it seems every Baul is now a Music Composer and even has IMBD listings. Indian Cinema and Bollywood as far as Baul goes is only related to Babu Kishan his Indian Cinema name, in Bengal his birth name is Krishnendu Das Baul.
He categorized all of the Folk Music of India for the largest Music Companies of India. He has been composer music for folk singers in Bengal from age 11.
He knows the difference between Folk Music and Baul Music, he has been an expert on this matter.
I was just watching "that women's' interview on Namarasa youtube, what she is saying is completely wrong.
'Baul and Gaudiya Math' is only tied together through this indigenous lineage and their ancestors, it has nothing to do with Parvathy and her fake sampradaya.
That women looks sweet but I am an expert at reading people, 'that women is an actor', what she is saying is not accurate, this leads to reductionism and the water down of lineage ancestral Baul and the truth of these association.
The first point of Baul is to tell the truth, Satya, never lie, if you fail that, you fall, you are not a Baul. Baul is not an acting job?
There are (not) many different schools of Baul, there is only one story, one lineage, only one indigenous ancestral family who fundraised and were respected by Gaudiya Math.
This lineage was tied to Gaudiya Math, respected by Gaudiya Math and part of their ancestor are Gaudiya Math, related to Nityananda of Ekachakra, the NEW book will explain. This lineage only remained and are closely tied to Gaudiya Math for hundreds of years.
This is lineage is a one and only Vaishnava Sahajiya Tantric Baul (Vayu Tula) V is B in Bengali, thus instead of Vaul they say Baul, there are deeper teaching in this lineage or guru shishy parampara sampradaya. No non-indigenous random generic actors should fake or talk garbage 'that women' is talking like there are many of these sampradaya's there are not. That is a lie and the lies continue.
Regarding Baul there is only one lineage or guru shishya parampara sampradaya and 'that women' is not from this sampradaya or yoga parampara, her Guru was not either, he actually tried to poison Purna Das Baul to death at Monhar Kepa's ashram in Kenduli during the Joy Dev Mela in the 1970's he was jealous and copied everything from Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and Purna Das Baul.
He was to be arrested but out of compassion Babu Kishan's mother said, let him go, he is so poor, he was a cigarette seller. It is true who you associate with you become. Here we have a fake Guru who stole the intellectual property from this lineage and copied everything from this lineage and tried to kill Purna Das Baul out of jealousy and we have a so called shisya who does the exact same thing steals the intellectual property from this lineage and fakes Baul. That women' say she met her Goshai Guru and spent three days with him before he died and he gave her every song, that was before. Now (that women) is saying she spent 3 years with him?
I will never trust anything she says, I have documented everything all the things "that women" has said since 2008 she is all over the map I am not talking travel wise, she changes her stories all the time. Why, hasn't anybody qualified 'that Women' through Purva Paksha. Don't tell me that the younger generation has no intellect or discernment? Where have the Indian and Western brains gone, do you just believes anything you are told? Life today on youtube is stranger than fiction.
Anyhow, Nityananda of Ekachakra Birbhum Bengal a Vaishnava Sahajiya (not buddhist as she say) but 'Krishna Sahaja who is the biggest Sahaja ever" and 'Dattatreya Sahaja) who is trimurti Vishnu, Shiva, Brahma and was Ram's teacher.
What is wrong with people, Krishna is way older than Buddhism, this lineage has been indigenous ancestral Vaishnava way before Gaudiya Vaishnavism of the 15th century and the follow Nityananda, they love Sri Chaitanya, but follow Nityananda these stories are held in the oral tradition and will be released when the book is released later this year. We have to protect our information because of hawker Bauls? Everything, is and will be copyrighted and we will go to court if we have to, to reclaim our Baul songs and kirtans?
No random fake hawker Bauls have ever used the term or called themselves a Baul Avadhut, Nabani was the last Baul Avadhut what the heck is going on? I see 'that women' is now calling herself an Baul Avadhuta that is impossible, that is a bold-faced lie? There is no such things as a Baul Master either, you have no adhikara or right to self-determine who is Baul or what to call anything regarding you, you have stepped way over the line. Same with Rodham calling Purna Das Baul a shilpi Baul are you kidding me, what an insult, you call the Baul Samrat a shilpi and you are new to Baul? There is something here to really pay attention to, I am serious, you learn a lot when you look at peoples character and if you can face read watch these 2 they are great actors.
I know a guy who used to know me on facebook, read all my writings about Nabani Das Khyapa Baul went to see "that women' in California and called her a Baul Avadhut, did she take this serious, is this where she started to call herself a Baul Avadhut, it certainly could not be California where she first learned about marijuana, as all her brother fake Bauls sit in the Akhara smoking ganja all the time?
Insanity, this is just one of many stories and copying of intellectual property from this lineage, their songs, style, dance, dress, where they go and what they already have done as part of already lived Baul history. Wake up people dig deeper, just because someone has dread lock and acts sweet and innocent does not mean they are. Character is shown by actions, not by the telling of how respected you are and being promoted as this and that, while you are cherry picking from this blog and twisting it.
Vaishnava Sahajiya Tantric Bauls of Birbhum, Nityananda (Nitai) is a direct ancestor of only this lineage of Bauls, all the ancestors were born in Ekachakra Birbhum. 'That women' is not part of this lineage or parmpara, she has nothing to do with this lineage, and should cease and desist from pretending and using the ancestors or the songs, stories from this lineage and actually I do not appreciate you are partner trying to be my husband, trying to do whatever he has already done, going where he has gone, stealing his songs off youtube or stealing his intellectual property, you are just dust compared to his accomplishments, you have tracked every corner of his life.
This blog, there lived history and any information only pertains to this lineage which is Gosia Chand, Das Baul and Dasi. Because they made Baul famous, many random wandering people started to call themselves Das Baul and Dasi including (that women's) Guru, who is not from this lineage, but copied Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and was so jealous of Purna Das Baul and thus copied every song, Nabani style on and on. He is not a lineage Baul and I have no idea why Parvathy continues to preach she is? Oh yah, he even copied the path-work dress designed by Babu Kishan.
Baul Avadhut is very rare, anybody calling or claiming this title today is lying, how messed up is that, are you that desparate.
Nabani Das Khyapa Baul was the last Baul Avadhut he passed in 1969 of this lineage which is the only Guru Shishya Parmapara Sampradaya. Their ancestor Nityananda was a Vaishnava Sahajiya Tantric Baul Avadhut, then Kepa Chand Baul. Not all Bauls are Avadhutas, most are very devote Vaishnava who speak oral Sanskrit with manuscripts. Babu Kishan's grandmother Brajabala Dasi was a decendant of the Norottama Das line could recite the whole Bhagavad Gita in Sanskrit and tell all the stories of Mahabharat and Ramayan to Babu Kishan as she raised him til he was 8 years of age, these Vaishnava Bauls are authentically sweet, they never lie, they lived very simple lives of the sweetest sahaja innocence.
Parvathy is lying or I guess I could say cheating, claiming these titles Baul Avadhut, Baul, Baul Master and Sampradaya. She is trying to make Baul random and generic, as if everybody in Bengal was a Baul, this is not so. What the two of them are doing is insidious.
I can't give away too much here, everything she basically is saying is an act.
Did she ever fundraise for Gaudiya Math for decades, did they ever fundraise for the Ramakrishna Mission, no they just take and never give, they take what this lineage has already accomplished and mark their territory, remaking this lineage, and stealing the intellectual property of this lineage trying to mark their territory, like dogs do. We love dogs by the way!
If people come to "that Women or Rodham' to learn Baul they are being led astray, they are not Baul. It seriously is bull shit? I have to use strong language, I know be sweet, but sometimes sweet means to cheat.
I have been a long time avid student of Vaishnavism in the west of both Gaudiya Math and Iskcon. I have spent 18 years learning from Krishnendu Das Baul aka Babu Kishan. I received my first Bhagavad Gita in 1974.
I studied 24/7 under Jeffrey Armstrong, a brilliant Vaishnava Vedic and Tantric Scholar and Sadhaka. I met him in 1997 and sat at his feet for almost a decade, he introduced me to Vaishnava from Bengal. I am forever thankful to him, he inspired me to apply myself in the deeper study of Jyotish 'Vedic Astrology', Vedanta, Yoga, Ayurveda, Bhagavad Gita, Mahabharata and Ramayana and Martial Arts.
Jeffrey had been a student of these profound subject since 1965 and he is still going strong. This helped me understand Babu Kishan who has always had close friendship with Gaudiya Math & Iskcon in the west including George Harrison of the Beatles.
Babu Kishan and his family were constant fundraisers for both as his father always sang as fundraising events for many, while Babu Kishan played the Sri Khol and lectured.
Babu Kishan has been teaching Vaishnava Sahajiya Baul, Tantra Mantra Gopi Yantra, Indian Philosophy and Indian Music since the 1970's in the west and worldwide. I have no idea what "that women and Rodham are talking about saying in the west it only has been about music, no it has not! Stop your lying, you are not going to save us westerners, just stop yourself promotion and save you own soul, go and practice, stop lying and using Baul because once Babu Kishan get started you will be dust. He has spent a lifetime qualifying who is real and who is fake.
Just, because he is an accomplished Indian Musician does not mean that is all he has done, he also, is an oral Sanskritist and a Classical Sanskritist who composed poetry and music in Sanskrit and has for some of the top Music Composer in India such as Ravindra Jain. 12 years at the Ramakrishna Mission and has done huge fundraising for the Ramakrishna Mission.
These too Rodham and 'that Women' are trying to be Baba and Maa spreading false information, lying and trying to collect people. They want to be in the Baba and Maa business, it is embarrassing and the comments left on the youtube mindless.
I was a long time friend of the late Vrindavan Today's founder editor Jagadananda Das (Jagat). He was a prolific researcher blogger and writer of Gaudiya Vaishnavism and was an X Iscon research the subtler points of Bengali Vaishnava since the 1960's he lived in Vrindavan India for decades. Jagat had a love and affinity with Baul Sahajiya Baul and Gaudiya Vaishnavism I had many many private conversations on the subtle points of Vaishnava Baul Sahajiya and this one and only lineage. Babu Kishan's grandmother Brajabali Dasi was eternally tied to the Norottam Das lineage of Vaishnava poets and scholar and Nabani Das Khyapa Baul is eternally tied to Vaishnavism through Nityananda Gosia Chand of Ekachakra Birbhum, W Bengal. All the Gosia's aka (Gosian, Goswami) of Bengal and Vrindavan used to visit Brajabala. As much as people like Jagat know and he realized a lot, they are missing the nuances and the inner truth of what is Baul, Babu Kishan is a born oral Sanskrit with a photographic memory, I was born with a photographic memory and ruthless desire for the truth, not random truth presented as truth but impeccable truth, not a version of truth twisted into a cult. There is no replacing the actual truth of who and what Baul is by any random shilpi non-indigenous fake Bauls. Baul is not a game of jackpot fundraising and it not be in the hands of random people picking the bones of this lineages ancestor. Krishnendu Das Baul from birth is to preserve Baul, his grandparents Guru's Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and Brajabala Dasi gave him that task, has it been easy absolutely not, when one is a born Tara Ma sadhaka or upasaka in the burning grounds with Nabani ones life is not going to be fun and games, you will live many lives in one life. There is much to explain here, nothing to be assumed, this lineage is always Radha and Krishna first they live in their hearts but if one has a rare Baul Avadhut as as Guru as Krishnendu Das Baul aka Babu Kishan has Tara Ma, Kali Ma and the Mahavidya's will be there also. However, only this one and only lineage, there is a misconception thinking this history belongs to all pretendian fake Bauls, it does not, many hung outside of these shakti peeths trying to be Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and today fake random Baul are using it as an attraction for tourists, trying to hook more people into their ashram as a way of business.
These 2 must stop making loose associations, the nuances are completely missing, the essence is washed clean of any authority on the topic.
If you mention 'Baul and Gaudiya' or Baul and Tantra" the only Baul to speak to is Babu Kishan as he lived it from birth and was on the board of Tarapith for decades. Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das is the only authority he is the real last Baul who lived it all with the authentic celebrated last Baul Nabani Das khyapa Baul and his father Purna Das Baul.
These 2 are window dressing, I could tell you what is wrong and how they have it completely wrong, the only problem is they will take and use it as if they are the ones that knew. Talking about 'Gaudyia Math and the Bauls' is useless unless you tell the real history of this association with this lineage. However, they don't, you can not make, the association of Baul and Gaudiya Vaishnavism random and generic, so that you can lay claim to all the work and associations of this lineage.
Do you think we are stupid, the answer is obviously yes? Do you think others are stupid?
The only way you can talk about this is by talking about this lineage. However, you do not have permission to talk or tell any of this lineage stories, because you have poached this lineage of their intellectual property? Tell me is that Vaishnava? Absolutely not, Vaishnava is humbler than a blade of grass, but true humility means truth talking and non-stealing.
You are Banned from this lineage of Baul, you are not our friends. Babu Kishan does not want to even hear your names, and he didn't want me to write this, because or want your names on our blog.
This is all my doing, because I have watched this intellectual indigenous property theft for decades now.
For example;
1. Baul does not come from families, not the truth.
Baul is first and foremost indigenous, do you even understand what that means. Baul is different from, oh I just want to become a yogi and run away into the Himalayas where you meet a Guru and well you know there are a million stories, it is a different story from the Juna Akara where these people follow a different path of individual away from the family, even if a Baul joins the Juna Akara they still will have a family somewhere a long the line. Anyhow, I can't teach Baul here, that is not the purpose and actually that is the birth right and ancestral destiny of his lineage. I have allowed myself to give too much information out.
This blog has always announced 'copyright' I added, no poaching when I discovered that Rodham on an older youtube video, had poached and was telling Babu Kishan's stories about Nabani Das Khyapa Baul as if he knew, with giving no, credit, he alluded that he knew the story of Bob Dylan and the Bauls, as if he knew, showing the character of these 2 and their self-promotion without any shame. He acted like he an expert on Bob Dylan ect,. Most people would not catch any of this becasue they know it is the blind leading the blind and the younger generation just believes if a person looks authentic and has gathered all sorts of pictures with others, they are the real thing?
Babu Kishan can address all this better than I ever could.
No name dropping, cherry picking, poaching songs or the intellectual property of from this lineages. They are trying to suggest that the Bauls that came to the west before, never taught anything, they only sang folk songs and promoted folk songs, that all they did was play Baul music, it was all about Baul music, this is 100% wrong and a lie. Not the truth. That is exactly what the person talking has done, Babu Kishan has taught at Universities and given Master classes on Baul since the 1970's, because he is educated with a Master Degree BA and MA with 12 years at the Ramakrishna Mission because he was a representative of the government of India through ICCR and Sangeet Natak Akademi? He is the author of 3 books on Baul, now out of print, he is the first and last as a part of this Baul history.
Then in another video Ramchandra Rodham who now calls himself Sri Sri Ramachandra which is a change, trying to elevate himself to an expert, demanding respect, as if he is a spiritual Guru. Keep your eye on these 2 they morph and change their narratives all the time. He is elevating his sense of self-importance, while sensationalizing and poaching Baul from this lineage.
One by one twisting Baul slightly to make it more attractive to the people, it is so obvious the intent is to collect people, already stating, come and join us? Baul never ever collects people.
Authentic Bauls sole purpose is Seva to the villagers, have you healed anybody lately, have you fundraised for other, or just for yourself.
When I think how Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and his ancestors gave up their lives, to attend to the villagers, feeding them, healing them, the women Bauls were mid-wives. The Bauls taught the villager, and they never went door to door as "that women" states. Here whole statement is a testament to the false narratives pushed and the nuances that she has not got a clue about. The whole thing is a show, a show by 2 actors, who are destroying the essence of Baul they know you don't know so they can say anything and you will go oh wow, she is so humble, yes when you are an actor you can dupe anybody. It is sad and this must stop, it is inauthentic and an overstep.
I see this insanity of poaching Baul I cringe and you should too.
No the west does not need any fake Bauls. People here are worn out by cults, nobody here needs a new Vivekananda some random middle class middle class girl, now a women, who did not attend the RamaKrishna Mission, did not have a authentic Baul Guru and has changed trying to grab all of Baul, this could be a case study of a new cult in the making.
However, now uses the Ramakrishna mission of part of her marketing promotions, same as she did with Universities and Indian Cinema, including her award obtained for representing Baul, which should only have gone to indigenous Baul as she is from a regular middle class family. This is more like a Master class in tricking people that one is authentic when they are not even that, a master class in social media fake fame.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13890392/
The lack of intellect, discernment, of not this and not that, the lack of research into the subject of the youger generation regarding spirituality, the lack of nuances and people who know how to qualify what is real and what is fake is astounding. Never fall prey to charisma, there has to be experience and an authentic Guru, teacher or Master is an expert not one who acts humble.
Bauls had a deep intellectual mind, their genius was inborn through their ancestry of Vaishnava Sahajiya poets, and oral Sanskritist with manuscripts. They were the ancestors of Nityananda of Ekachakra connected to the land there, the soul and soil of the land which is indigenous to this lineage. Only Babu Kishan born Krishnendu Das Baul can tell the story, I have only given hints, and all those hints have been poached. Tell me is that Vaishnava? Think critically, don't think emotionally of what you see or exotic looking costumes and platitudes of generalizations touching on every aspect that this lineage has lived?
Baul is very personal to Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das Baul, he is a Pandit regarding Vaishnava Sahajiya, Baul Tantra Mantra Gopi Yantra, Sanskrit, Indian Philosophy and all of Indian Music. He is not self-titled and he has been teaching Baul worldwide and in India since the 1970's as a qualified teacher in every way, he is not self-titled. He is not an actor. His Guru is Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and Brajabala Dasi who is from the Norottama Das family, she is an oral Sanskrit-ist and knew all the stories off by heart and knew Vrindavan like the back of her hand, there are stories about her in Babu Kishan's book that will be released sometime this year, that is when you will hear more about all this.
People need to learn the questions to ask, instead of just gushing on a emotional level. This is the most important issue of our time, discernment and knowing what is fake and what is not.
https://indiafolkheritageofbengal.weebly.com/cultural-misappropriation.html
https://indiafolkheritageofbengal.weebly.com/lineage-baul-of-birbhum.html
What a sham, there may be a drop of heart there but not enough to stop her from stealing the intellectual property of this lineage and Babu Kishan grandfathers style, song Kicchu din mone mone? Right off of Babu Kishan's youtube channel without permission in 2009, where is the consciousness?
https://lineagebaul.blogspot.com/2022/07/kichhu-din-mone-mone-by-nabani-das.html
'That women' say's her Guru Sanatan Das Baul (not a das baul) but a self-titled das Baul) somewhere along the line said, books were useless, yet all her side kick Rodham does is read books, and Parvathy has been known steal the intellectual property from this lineage even when something is not correct. Sanatan Das Baul was illiterate, Baul is never illiterate, we will break this down one by one.
# 1. Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das Baul is a music composer, no not just one of those who say they are, he is a inborn Music Composer who is qualified with a Masters degree in Indian Music from Calcutta University, He has spent 40 years as a Music Composer in Indian Cinema with a huge body of successful and award winning music in Sanskrit, Bengali, Hindu, and a multitude of other languages. He has composed over 80% of his fathers Purna Das Bauls most famous Baul music. Yes, the song that these fake Bauls steal.
#2. Babu Kishan as an expert on Folk Music has categorized all of the Folk Music of India for the biggest Music Companies in India.
# 3. He has composed music for and recored Folk Music of Bengal for the biggest Folk Music singers of his time,
#4. He knows his Baul Music and his Baul Poetry inside out and backwards. He has composed for a huge number of temples and Guru's through out India including writing lyrics, poetry ect... and knows what is Baul, Folk, Bhajan, and all spiritual music of India.
So for this video to come out now by Parvathy saying Baul songs are not Folk songs, is laughable, she is not a Music Composer, she doesn't even know who the poets are, she said Bauls don't care, why Parvathy so you could steal the poetry? She sings most songs from this lineage and doesn't even know, that she has too has sung folk songs.
'That women' has advertised herself as a Folk singer, I have it in my files? What on earth is going on in Bengal, do they believe any of what she says, is it to fundraise in the name of Baul? So the Folk songs didn't work, the Buddhist part didn't work and then Lalon, they even tried Bollywood I guess that didn't work, now Ramakrishna, Vivekananda, Gaudiya math, first Radha, Tara Ma and now Krishna?
Babu Kishan has not gone anywhere, he is still alive and watching the Baul tradition, it is his passion and be dammed if he is going to let this go on any longer.
Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das is the expert, while Parvathy is a newbie, novice on the path along with her Sri Sri a beginner trying to usurp and be the first Baul in America, give me a break, what an insult. Trying everything, throwing it at the wall, will it stick, what is next, including trying to associate with Indian Cinema?
Next she will call herself a Music Composer. You and Rodham are banned from misappropriating anything from this blog or lineage. You want to be Purna Das Baul just like your Guru did, you want to be Nabani Das Khyapa Baul just like your Guru did, you want to be Babu Kishan too, by copying everything he has done and everywhere he has gone. I am sorry I am a warrior and a martial artist and the shakti of Nabani Das Khyapa Baul's grandson who has been preserving Baul for over 60 years. I will never forget and do do you honestly think Babu Kishan ever forgets, no he has a photographic memory.
Who is Baul, is in Bengali documentary with subtitles.
It is a more realistic view of where Baul is at today, not a fabricated fantasy info commercial a prelude to Vivekanada and the second coming of Christ as a Baul to America when Baul has been in America for decades? This screams a new cult. North America is burnt out of the cult mentality, but there still is a pathetic amount of ignorant people they can dupe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmNbe4qS2VA
I didn't want to critique or use the name the fake (pretendian) hawker Bauls, however, if people think what is going on is Baul you need to know it is not. This Rodham guy touches on everything I have already written on this blog and throughout my websites. He draws this picture of Baul that was lived a long time ago and is part of lived Baul history. Baul is already in the west it has been here since 1967. By the way the only way you know about Baul is through this one and only lineage of Baul that was copied by your so called Baul Guru. The only thing to do is call it what it is, acting and fakery at its best.
You feel entitled to so confidently call Purna Das Baul a shilpi Baul, no he is a Baul Samarat a Baul pandit Padma Shree, he is Nabani Das Khyapa Bauls son and has seen more, not only that he has seen and lived more than you have. He is in his 90's have alot of repect for him because you would not know about Baul without him, your Guru who was a cigarette seller would not have had any songs, or style to copy and steal. Lets look at who you are, and who your so called Baul Master and her Guru really are?
"That Women' think she is the new Vivekananda bringing Baul to the west? Hop on the freighter and act it out?
She appropriated Baul from this lineage, the fact is she appropriated the song Kichu Din Mone Mone. This is a Baul song from this lineage that has been appropriated! It is Nabani Das Khyapa Baul poetry, this Baul kirtan was stolen off Babu Kishan's youtube channel in 2009, she listened to over and over so many times even Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das Baul by birth noticed it? Of course it is popular it belongs to Nabani Das Khyapa Baul who was well known. Cease and desist because we are working on a plan to recover the intellectual property that has been taken without permission from this lineage, it will be a long court case, however, it is a must to send a message to all marginalized indigenous people that stealing the intellectual property of indigenous people is not ok, it is not ok.
Babu Kishan said to me, what is going on with my youtube "that women" has listened to this song over and over and over, we the analytics to proven.
She gave the name Roshik as the poet, even though it is not Roshik is a nickname of someone else from this lineage? Other people have re-recorded this song and other Baul songs from this lineage, but this in particular has been a disturbing blatant intellectual property theft.
If "that women' was not such a fake Baul who created a fake lineage while using the intellectual property of this lineage we would not care. But is unbelievable how the lies slip out as they do, how she reduces Baul to fit her limited understanding and how it is all about come and join us.
Stop making Baul generic and duping people. I have documented it all since we saw this blatant appropriation. I have documented when you took all the chapter titles from Purna Das Bauls book titled Baul Philosophy, and listed all the titles of the Chapters as to what you were going to teach in a workshop?
I have documented the time you said, Baul is from Turkey.
Baul is not from families, oh really, do you even understand what indigenous means?
Then 20 years ago, I met Babu Kishan and from listening to him 24/7 I realized he was trained in Mimamsa Philosophy, purva paksha, debate and had met a mentor of his a Supreme Court Judge of Calcutta and Bombay whom he traveled and was friends with since age 8 they would travel around Indian testing so-called, self-titled experts aka Gurus, Tantrics, Yogis to see if they were authentic, they knew that questions to ask, this was their practice as a hobby. This is a book unto itself.
Disregard for traditional spiritual practices ownership of their songs, dance, style, kirtans, where they go and what they, is the disregard for indigenous ancestral people who have preserved Baul for thousands of years, Baul is not a free for all, Baul is not an umbrella for all the random wandering people to use and abuse as they please.
Using the past Baul history as your history when you are not a Baul, your ancestors were not Baul and then reworking it is acting as if you did and created all of the Baul history and talking negatively about this lineage while using it, insinuating and making suggestions that music is the cause of the disappearance of Baul, No you are the cause of the disappearance of Baul taking the opportunities away from indigenous Baul, watering down Baul and stealing the indigenous intellectual property of this lineage. Do play stupid, this is just the beginning of notifying the world what your game is?
A nakal Baul will disregard or reject traditional spiritual practices and teachings, and may create their own doctrines that are not based on the authentic teachings of their tradition. Creating a mishmash or anything goes and everybody is a Baul, just plain creating bullshit to include yourself. Living in a fancy world of false narratives.
Recently I saw "that women" in a video with a so-called Guru who has a huge record of abuse, he disappeared for years and has reappeared as best friends as best friends of Nithyanada who was kicked out of India, and then created his own country, remember that guy?
I have both on cult watch lists, do your research, they both have a long list of complaints. He is making a comeback to a whole new unconscious group of dense people. This Guru is a Mauritian neo-Hindu from Mauritian who if you do research on has some very dubious best friends and dubious activities and questions on cult watch sites. This is who 'that women" associated with praises and as a reward he calls her a Saint. People do your research, yet no one does? It is easier to dupe people into fact cults today that it was at the hight of fake Cults even a decade ago, people do not learn anything from the past, they only become more woke and easily influenced.
https://youtu.be/I3YNqGxxll0?si=GXqnw41I8uPxNd9S
It is a spiritual crime to mislead people for your own purposes.
Do not trust anybody, watch this guys face, too much smile is fake. This video link will explain what a cult mind virus does to humans and especially young people.
Oh my God when talking about Baul, this lineage has no association with these two, we do not endorse cults or this kind of association it is the opposite of Baul. Do your research people.
Cults encouraging blind devotion: A false guru may encourage blind devotion to themselves rather than to the teachings and practices of their tradition, and may discourage independent thinking and critical analysis. Come and join us, follow are path, creating a false image of who a Guru is, when in reality it is not true, it is just a figment of your imagination. And what are getting out of Baul, perhaps you will be a Guru to, perhaps you will get out of India and travel the world by making false claims of you are going to introduce Baul to America when a Baul has been going and living in America for 4 decades, but don't dare mention that Baul only steal the intellectual property of that Baul.
It is important to do thorough research and exercise discernment when choosing a spiritual teacher or guru, and to be aware of these warning signs to avoid falling prey to a false or fraudulent teacher, Baul is not fake it til you make it. A Baul Guru there is no such thing as Baul Master, is not riding on the coattails of another lineage, stealing their songs, dress, style of dance and instruments, how do you account for this. it can be 100% proven, how do you account for this, your actions prove who you are?"
You must do your research, study and practice, today it easy, back a few decades ago we didn't have the internet. You can do all sorts of learning online. First develop your intuition, discernment and the basics, do not follow the crowd you will get no further than the crowd.
Ask profound questions and sources, where did you get that from, don't take what anybody says, did they do the work, did they go to the Ramakrishna Mission, what are they basing their Vaishnava on and watch face read them, this too is part of Baul, you have to be able to read anybody making outrageous claims.
Investigate, research, do not ever care about how many likes they have, or how many followers, sometime that is a big red flag because in Kali Yuga the time is backwards, who is real is seen as fake, and who is popular and has many fans is fake.
What does you gut say, what does your heart say, what does you head say. Do not rush to follow anybody, only your soul knows ask your soul.
This lineage is documented 13 generation to Nityananda of Ekachakra Birbhum W Bengal. Only this lineage, this indigenous ancestral lineage, not related to any other fake pretendian Bauls using the name Baul to collect people.
In the video mentioned, he is misleading and creating generalization hooking a rant as if he is doing an info-commercial for Baul? Bold-faced lies taking credit for what he has not even practiced.
This is fake and a false narrative. His technique is to disqualify this lineage and the fact they have appropriated and stolen the intellectual property of this lineage. Baul is not a game, it does not belong to you people you have done enough damage, you are not indigenous to Baul.
Without a shadow of doubt Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das Baul knows the questions to ask, he can see like with laser vision who is real and who is fake, and from day one he pegged Parvathy Baul as a fake, the problem here is he knew her Guru, he knew all the stories to begin with, you don't and they have made him out to be a saint. The only Baul saint and the last authentic Baul Bhakti Tantric Avadhut was Nabani Das Khyapa Baul.
There are no Bauls left, their is only the over 60 years of Baul preservation that Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das Baul and a Baul history and her-story already completed. A history that Parvathy and Rodham are tying to remake with all sorts of innuendo's?
Cherry picking, name dropping, poaching of this lineage picture taking, social media influencers, with stories based on nonsense. Better yet, get a job, raise children, I had a guru who always said, so you want to be a Guru and when people came up to him and asked how, he would say get married and have children and come and see me in 20 years, you need experience in life first. Not just I am not Baul and now I am an expert on Baul, when the authentic Bauls lived full lives and preserved Baul over generations, they would be rolling in their graves.
Baul has been in the west since 1967, Babu Kishan has been teaching in the west, Bhakti Yoga, Baul Kirtan, Tantra, Baul Philosophy and Indian Music since the 1970's, because he is an expert, he trained from Childhood and is indigenous to Baul, he spent 12 years as a monk 24/7 at the Ramakrishna mission not just reading little booklets he was in a deep 24/7 practice, you have to do the work before you can claim the work? No one can do that today, yet they can claim the whole of Baul, claim authority out of the blue, when yesterday, last year, they didn't even talk about Ramakrishna? Again, blatant cherry picking.
You mention Tarapith, and other shakti peeth like they are ice cream, have you ever done decades of sadhana at these places. Posting memes and taking pictures or making woodwork is not the tantic sadhana of these places where Nabani Das Khyapa Baul the last authentic Baul to walk on earth and he left in 1969 did sadhana, where the villagers knew him and gave him the name Khyapa Baba or Khyapa Baul because he served the villagers, he didn't serve himself. You make a fool of the actual people who did the work the real sadhana, all I hear is you have self-titled yourself, you are doing self-promotion and acting with no shame.
Baul is already in the west permanently since 2009, he does not advertise his teachings, he does not promote what he is doing, the people who know him are in touch with him. An authentic Baul does not play your games of social media, they are always disguised, mystical and mysterious, they do not sell their spirituality and play pretend.
It is easier now through social media, because it is easier to dupe more people, attract more people and start a Maa or Baba business of dominance, don't insult Vivekananda, he didn't come by airplane, he had an authentic Guru that had a tremendous shakti. If you thought Sanatan Das Baul had a power or shakti lol, just stop it, as I said Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das Baul knew him, there are so many stories that must be told. You will be qualified, that I can assure you, just not yet, but soon.
Purna Das Baul is not a shilpi Baul, oh my God he is the Baul Samarat Pandit Purna Das Baul he is an indigenous Baul from the soul and soil of Ekachakra Birbhum W Bengal. If not for him you would have no songs to sing, you would not know anything about Baul because of him Baul was made popular, because of Purna Das Baul and Nabani Das Khyapa Baul and Babu Kishan you would not know anything about Baul, you would not have a template to appropriate? You have no right to talk anything about this lineage and lump it into your fake crusade as the new Vivekananda or the second coming of the Krishna and Radha to the west.
Purna Das Baul is a many time President awarded, with a Padma Shree, have you no shame. Nityananda is a ancestor of this lineage going back 13 generations, you are lying about this 7 generation thing, unbelievable, seriously you have are seem desperate.
You copy everything from this lineage and this blog, not just on this video but on others videos, telling stories that can only be heard here and only stories told by Babu Kishan, trying to remake an already lived history of this lineage, while dismissing the people who introduced Baul to all of Bengal, India and Baul worldwide til this day.
I tried to ignore this recent push into the west and the video titled 'Tantra and Baul', however, it is an insane abuse of Baul, copying of everything already said on this blog.
The interviewer has not got a clue that you are a Baul hawker, she has no idea what she has gotten into. You touch on everything and every part of this lineages lived history, I don't think there is too much missed.
A Baul hawker is someone who uses Baul who is not indigenous to Baul. They copy from where-ever, floating around the internet making contacts, poaching others work and 'faking it til they make it' this started in the 1970's I see there is now a revival in this new Baul scheme?
We live in a post truth era where there is an over abundance of information on the internet, where practice is a show, an after thought, something to brag and act like you know what you are doing, a show, an act, to collect people as you said, in another video come and join us? Baul does not collect people? How can a non-indigenous random person from South India, who has never done any of the Ramakrishna sadhana's claim Vivekananda and RamaKrishna?
Completely manipulating people who do not even understand the language of Baul, pretending, Baul hawkers, who if anybody is a shilpi Baul it is Parvathy Baul who is acting out Nabani Das Khyapa Baul style of instruments and dance, acting out the song she stole from Babu Kishan youtube channel a song from his lineage of Baul kirtan, there is no other lineage of Baul kirtan. People who do not understand the language or Indian Music think this is great, but it is all an act. But, there you are Vivekananda in female acting form is coming to America?
You will need to fundraise for you jackpot, collect donations from unsuspecting fools, in the name of indigenous Baul, this is indigenous identity theft, and indigenous property theft, probably even indigenous fraud, when they steal the songs, style and practices from this lineage and this blog.
Baul is an indigenous ancestral tradition, lineage, Guru Shishya Parampara Lineage there is only one originating from Ekachakra Birbhum West Bengal India. Oh my God he does not know what he is talking about regarding Baul in the West, he does not know anything, no idea and he calls Purna Das Baul a shilipi Baul?
Rodham has elevated 'that women' as if she was greater than Purna Das Baul and Nabani Das Baul and is taking all the work this lineage has done and faking it as if she had done it all. Sheer garbage, Babu Kishan has been teaching Bhakti Yoga for decades in the west, he lives in the west. My goodness what fakery. Now they are the roots of Baul?
Rodham is insinuating 'that women' is bring Baul to the west, just like Vivekanada coming to the west?
Coming to the west is already Baul history, Babu Kishan is in the west lol oh you think you know more than he does? Don't insult our intelligence I take extreme acceptance to your ignorance.
Thousands of people read and do research from this blog since 2009. This must be understood, this is a very old ancient lineage of Baul and there is one lineage, new fake lineages have been created. Our goal is to reclaim and explain what has happened to Baul, this is one of the reasons Baul is no more, too much fakery. It has to be said, names must be called out.
These 2 "That Women' and Rodham are actors trying to repeat the history of Baul already lived as Baul history, Baul indigenous history, they are leaving out many nuances and changing Baul, muddying the waters in a confusing rhetoric, a rambling and claiming of Baul.
Baul is a very old lineage that they have not been initiated into, there is no way their Guru Sanatan Das Baul was a Baul, he copied everything from this lineage, songs, dance, style and even wore the patch work dress Babu Kishan designed.
Babu Kishan knew him way before these 2 were born, he had no energy, he had no knowledge and couldn't speak oral Sanskrit or read the manuscripts, he completely copied Nabani Das Baul style of instruments and dance that is why Parvathy Baul too copies Nabani Das Khyapa Baul style.
This fakery is pushing the boundaries on bull shit, indigenous intellectual property theft and plain old lying acting as an expert on Baul and again randomizing Baul making Baul generic to fit into the narrative.
Since the 1970's I have been studying the cult mind virus and the technique that are used to created cults and followers of cults. It is one of my biggest studies over all of this time.
As a Vedic Astrologer for almost 3 decades I have counselled many who have been looted, brainwashed and don't have a clue who is real and who is not. The techniques are numerous to entrap people, collect people and trick people, ask for donations to help start an ashram, it happens every other day here in the west. First you should have an authentic Baul Guru, someone with adhikara and unfortunately these 2 are not authentic Bauls. Understand Baul is indigenous, there is no way around this, and one should know all the Baul languages first which are Oral Sanskrit with manuscripts, Birbhum Bengali, Sandhya Bhasa and indigenous Bauls own style of Sandhaya Bhasha, there is no exception.
One must be from an authentic lineage with a real Baul Guru who wrote the poetry, not a fake Baul guru who poached the poetry. There is a difference, and one must be educated in all ways. Their Guru should be a oral Sanskritist and non-stealing, truth-talking not someone who is so jealous that they poison a Baul Samarat. I am a strong advocated or exegesis as a Vedic Astrologer and through my cult watch research. Babu Kishan has over 60 years of watching how the fake Bauls came to be, he knew them all including Sanatan Das Baul way before the 2 in this blog post were born, he has the real story.
Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das has been specifically trained in Purva Paksha and academic exegesis in determining who is a real and who is a fake Baul, Guru, Siddha, Tantra, Yogi ect.. He was trained first by his Grandfather (Guru) Nabani Das Khyapa Baul, then 12 years at the Ramakrishna Mission.
The podcast is called the forgotton essence, lol the essence is not there in those 2 fake Bauls, the essence is only in the lineage of Baul, you have interviewed the wrong people. If your param Guru is Satya Sai Baba what are you doing messing up Baul. Then Swami Vivekananda, Ramakrishna reading small booklets, now Maa Kali, Sir Aurobindo and the Mother love of his writings, 2021 asking what is Baul? My God and you representing Baul? Parvathy is wearing Nabani Das Khyapa Baul style of ankle bells copied from this lineage?
Sanatan Das Baul is NOT a Baul Guru stop this bull shit. All acting, it is all fake. Santan told Parvathy to go and find a real teacher. What a story, Baba this and Baba that, come on this is just a show. A space possessed with spirits that should not be there if one is an actual Baul. OMG what a story? Folks be careful. Bauls use the term Vayu Dharma for prana??
"That women' is a intellectual identity thief, she has stolen songs from this lineage and instead of admitting it will say, Bauls don't care who the poets are. Bauls always know who the poets are? She has the ability to act, all story, who cares what you did, it is about being truthful and not fake. There is no way that they have anything to do with Nityananda of Ekachakra, 7 generations it is way longer than 7 generations. There were no old Baul masters in 2016 what a story of lies. This is they typical making up of stories to legitimize oneself.
https://lineagebaul.blogspot.com/2025/02/indigenous-identity-theft-indigenous.html
Nabani Das Baul was the last authentic Baul, the last Baul Avadhut, this guy is exaggerating and lying. Guru and Shishya in Baul was never taken for granted, oh blah blah blah. He has no adhikara or authority to talk about Baul.
I have no idea why these fake Bauls are all of sudden, never before attaching themselves to the Ramakrishna Mission.
Did they see that Babu Kishan has been the first and last Baul to spend 12 years there.
Do the work first, if you are going to claim the Ramakrishna Mission do the sadhana, lets see how far you get that means 24/7 for years?
Stop using Babu Kishan stories posing for pictures talking bull shit as if you actually have done the work.
Then when he was at Calcutta University he traveled all over India with his family and by him-self as a representative of Calcutta University teaching at Universities Indian Philsophy and Indian Music. I gave a list of his teaching at Universites worldwide through the 1970, 1980, 1990 onward.
First you have to attend University before you teach, however this Fake Baul 'that women' has to try to be Babu Kishan in this area too?
The new Vivekananda Baul is coming to the west, she just never did the work except travel the world riding on the coattails of this lineage pretending she is Purna Das Baul singing on big stages, would you not call that actor Baul, shilpi Baul and there is no such thing as Baul Master, you guys made that up.
Someone has the brainy idea to have her talk at Berkley University in San Francisco as if she is an authority on Baul, to show her academic ability and to mimic Babu Kishan's long list of teaching at Universities around the world? What a joke, she is there to collect donations hawking her paintings, she teaches false teaching, that have already been identified as wrong.
She tells the audience there are 4 types of Baul Aul Sai Dervish and Fakir, no there are not, and if you really believe that, why are play acting Vaishnava Bhakti Yoga and Tantra now? Oh right she is still teaching this false narrative to some you Vaishnava people on a podcast, what these young people need is someone who is an indigenous Baul who is trained not faked, you are misleading a whole generation. Baul has been in the west!!
You should be teaching the fake Muslim Baul dialogue? Everything is a one liner, a covering a point of already lived first and last from this lineage, even Indian Cinema Bollywood? Why, that is Babu Kishans lived life, Indian Cinema has nothing to do with Baul, I will tell you why it is all self-promotion for fundraising in the fake Baba and Maa business.
We know where you got the Aul, sai, dervish, and fakir from and we also know why you changed your tune? You can not make this up, once Parvathy was asked where is Baul from and not too long ago, she said Turkey?
Advertising her accomplishment of teaching Baul at Berkley she bragged about it on the front page of her website, she had taught at Berkley University?
The video of that teaching showed that she taught at Berkley University, why, she never attended University, the only other Baul to talk about teaching at Universities all over India and worldwide was Babu Kishan because he went to University with a BA and Master degree. What is this some kind of competition to take over Babu Kishan's life and she has even tried to be associated with Indian Cinema (Bollywood) where Babu Kishan has had a 40 years career? What is the purpose, is it to make you self legit to gain fundraising, it always comes down to wanting something. Now she is going to introduce Baul to the west, what a pile of bull shit, Baul is in the west it has been her since 1967 and no not just because of hippies. If someone asked you to party with them, just say no, Babu Kishan has for 40 years in the west.
In 2009 she came to Vancouver and advertised herself as a Legendary Baul Women, when Babu Kishan has always said, his Grandmother Brajabala Dasi and aunt Radharani Das were the last legendary women, my God has she no shame, these two women were the last Baul women to walk on earth. I have seen Parvathy say she is the only Baul women to travel the world, my Goddess Manju Das was way before her doing cultural programs, teaching Baul worldwide with her husband Purna Das Baul who you have the audacity and gaul to call a shilpi Baul. Pravathy has done nothing but riding on the coattails of this lineage and you have cherry picked from Babu Kishan's stories, life and written words on this blog, written by me Trishula Das, but as told by Babu Kishan.
So Babu Kishan puts in the time, does all the work and you fake your way to fame with dread locks or jata, copying Nabani Das Khyapa Baul the only Baul since his ancestor Khyapa Chand and Nityananda of Ekachakra that had jata, because they did sadhana in the forests alone and this was the way without showers and modern conveniences such as airline travel and internet.
I dare you to cut your jata off, you live in the modern world traveling the world teaching what is not your to teach I dare you to give up your gimmick and see what happens. They are away to gain attention, oh yes we all have heard the stories of how your hair is antenna to the higher realms but that is when you live away from people? Today we have the internet?
Rodham you like to name drop and cherry pick not just on this video, how tricky your are I am an expert at detecting fake people. I have watched your type for over 50 years, spiritual sales people, spiritual hawkers, all the Gurus that came to the west over decades, your view is slanted you are talking to people twice your age, you think everybody is stupid. Babu Kishan he has seen it all thousands of times and qualified many of them, you see he is trained he had authentic real Guru's not marketing masters, big Gurus like Satya Sai Baba who manifested a Gold metal for Purna Das Baul, you see probably before you were a kid Purna Das Baul and family were special guest of Satya Sai Baba's 50th anniversary and other times. It has nothing to do with you and your fake Baul minions.
https://youtu.be/o3NSZIxeNuo?si=vECf4yC_k4kURJnB
You will probably lay claim to this too, saying Baul had association with Satya Sai Baba, no Baul did not this lineage, this indigenous ancestral Baul one and only lineage and the name is Purna Das Baul who brought Baul to the west for more that 40 years of travel to the west, This lineage is connected to the Kali Mandir in Laguna Beach, especially Babu Kishan who was instrumental in helping Usha Harding fundraise for the temple and instrumental in encouraging her to start the temple. Tell me why your Sananta Das Baul was there, he had nothing to do with it and what about Parvathy? Perfect example while we are at it of how hawker Bauls follow this lineage including everywhere, and everything they do and have done?
Baul does not collect people. Baul does not lie, Baul does not say as Rodham says, come join us? Baul does not say there are 20,000 Bauls left in W Bengal, Rodham said this in another video it is a complete lie or exaggeration to collect people? Obviously, the goal is to become fundraise for a jackpot in the lucrative Baba and Ma business? This is the perfect example of a hawker Baul.
Rodham has poached stories and cherry picked from this blog, I can prove it.
It is so obvious, instead of actually working in Indian Cinema they are faking an association by opening up a IMBD account for a youtube video, as a promotion for Parvathy as a Ma showing the villagers touching her feet. It is so obvious Baul is only a mean to an end for the lucrative Maa and Baba business, perhaps you want to be Anandamayi Ma, never could you even touch her feet. Then there is Ammachi in Kerala the hugging saint, she has made billions perhaps that is the end game?
Shilppi Baul, you are the only actor Bauls.
Babu Kishan has already completed, and done all you write about over 6 decades, he has done all the work, met all the people lived in the USA and Canada. He has already brought Baul to America, taught Baul to thousands of people worldwide before you were born, what an insult, the only problem with Baul is that is has been liquidated by you and your Guru, remember it is about character, truth (satya) and non-stealing.
Nabani Das Khyapa knew Vivekananda. You can not even touch or understand who Nabani Das Khyapa Baul was is living in Babu Kishan, they both have been to all the temples you talk about the Shakti Piths, Tarapith. Nabani Das Khyapa was initiated by Bhama Kepa, he was a authentic Tantric there no an armchair take people on tours there, he trained Babu Kishan from birth and it was Tara Ma who saved his life as a premature baby with crooked limbs.
https://vedicgoddess.weebly.com/temples-of-india-blog/kankalitala-temple-bolpur-birbhum-west-bengal This was a 2013 post, Babu Kishan has been teaching the world about Baul since the 1970's.
Kankali Tala Temple in Bolpur is where the villagers knew Nabani Das Khyapa Baul.
Stop all the bull shit, really it is too much, over the years everything written here has been copied sometimes word for word including out Ektara Foundation goals? Instead of attending and raising money for the Ramakrishna Mission, instead of actually knowing Anandamayi Ma and having a relationship with her as this lineage has, you go and take pictures as if you had that association.
Why are you two reworking everything this lineage has already completed as Baul history and claiming it for yourself. What is the end goal and purpose, you are not Bauls, you can't just fake Baul history without knowing the whole story or the nuances, just rambling as if you are a jokers.
I write about Baul Tantra on this blog, they come out with a pathetic video called Baul and Tantra which is absolutely garbage, do not copy anything from us, time is over.
The first comment made on the video of Baul and Tantra, I thought I would copy it because I am sure it will be deleted; by a reader was; "now it is Vivekanada and then comes (satya) Sai Baba, Ali Baba,, then comes Adi Shankar, then Modiji, and then comes Sad Guru Ji, and then comes Kejriwalji and then it is Baba Apte and then comes Sridi sai Baba",
the commentator forgot to mention..... Ramakrishna, Aurobindo, Anandamayi Ma, Bollywood a long rant of bull shit, it is so obvious.
I am a mystic I can see right through this guy, I can face read.
They have no shame.
At least Babu Kishan and Manoj Kumar composed music and an album for the Shridi Sai Baba temple. The 2 of them were at the Shirdi many many times, with the recently late Indian Cinema superstar, Manoj Kumar was an Indian actor, Film director, screenwriter, lyricist and editor in Indian Cinema he was a giant and recently passed a way, he was a good friend of Babu Kishan they did a lot of work together over the years.
Babu Kishan never talked about his life. I have, because of people who have stolen his music, his intellectual property and his life work. Babu Kishan is not one for name dropping, but what tis going it is a must because Baul history is his history and his ancestors history and it is being bastardized, and stolen.
He didn't talk about it, he composed music for many temples in India and many Guru's he never talked about it?
He didn't say his produced, recored the first ever recored Hanuman Chalisa in the 1980's and played in all temples of India with the most listens to in the history of India. Singing by late Hari Om Sharan.
Where Babu Kishan has gone, who he has met these 2 can not dream, the part in Indian History and Baul history that Babu Kishan, Purna Das Baul, Nabani Das Khyapa have played is not talked about, it is time to reclaim the authentic history of the Vaishnava Sahajiya Baul of Birbhum as part of history, rather being replaced by fakes.
I write about Bhakti Yoga and am the first to mention Baul Kirtan on this blog, and then all of sudden "that Women' is listing Kirtan with no mention that she stole a Baul kirtan right off Babu Kishan's youtube channel? No I won't let it go.
Now they are Bhakti, oh wait I wrote about Baul Tantra with implicit copyrights on the material now they are talking about Baul and Tantra.
On the youtube video Tantra and Baul, it is not Baul, Baul Tantra is very specific and can only be learned from an indigenous authentic Baul Guru. Oh my God what is he talking about? The interviewer is born in the west and she meets people like this and thinks they are authentic and that they tell the truth. She does not have a clue, the blind leading the blind, Baul can only been through indigenous initiation not through second hand fakes who write, copy and paste from book to book and call it their own?
It is absolutely necessary that this fakery is understood, there is no such thing as a Baul artist or a Baul Master.
For too long indigenous Bauls have been pushed aside with their names taken off, while fake Baul which we call pretendian Bauls or hawker Baul, have been 'riding on the coattails of this lineage' while reducing and watering down a beautiful ancient indigenous people, it is the nuances that matter and it is the nuances that are completely lost.
I have volumes of accumulated research that I have to dig through regarding Baul. I won't miss a drop, I am wild about defending my husband, his lineage and legacy. I have watched this fake phenomenon for 2 decades now, this last video pushed me over the edge.
Dread locks on a Women is a well know way to attract people, this is gimmick. The dress was copied from Babu Kishan's movie on Baul about his aunt Radharani Dasi, nobody knows this more than Babu Kishan because he designed the dress style that "that women" wore or used to wear. Baul women do not wear that dress style it was created for the movie called Tagori.
First of all if you are not 'Gosia Chand Das Baul or Dasi or an oral Sanskritst there is no way you are Baul.
Sanatan Das Baul is not a 'Das Baul' he is like the rest of the fake Bauls who copied everything from this lineage. He copied their songs, Nabani style of dance and even the colourful patchwork dress Babu Kishan designed. Babu says, he had no energy, he did not have any adhikara authority regarding Baul, he was a refugee from East Bengal and used Baul to survive which many of the refugee's from East Pakistan at the time of partition and the 1971 war between India and what is now called Bangladesh. There is and never were Bauls in East Bengal or Bangladesh that is all made up and can be proved.
There is no such thing as a Fakir or Muslim Baul.
Monohar Kepa was a poet not a Baul by the way, he did not have a lineage, you can not make a lineage out a one time poet? Purna Das Baul loved him and called him a Baul, but then that was his habit of calling everybody a Baul, he named Bob Dylan the first western Baul, that does not mean Bob Dylan was an actual Baul. Babu Kishan used to compose music for Monohar Kepa because he was a poet and didn't have a tune, he was always special guest at their home in Calcutta.
I saw some so-called, self titled Western Bauls say their Guru was the first Western Baul he was not, he was not even a Baul, there are another group with use Baul to fundraise who made up a lineage that does not exist, a fake lineage.
Baul is not a free for all, this lineage did all the work, you come along and try to be them, without any essence of Baul or indigenous ground to stand on?
Taking awards that are set aside for the indigenous Bauls. Trying to be Purna Das Baul and Nabani Das Baul and using all Babu Kishan's blog and website posts on who the Bauls are to create your fake platform.
The one I really laugh at is how you actually created a IMBD account for a youtube video as if she was a filmmaker in Indian Cinema, next she will be a music composer out of the blue. In the video she showing the villagers touching her feet, Baul did not go to village so that villagers could touch your feet, it is the other way around, omg the audacity.
The Bauls served the villagers, they healed the villagers, Bauls touched the villagers feet, their job was to serve the villagers?
We live in a post truth era, where the 'fake appears real' and the 'real appears fake' this lineage through Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu Das Baul is going to reclaim and qualify all the lies and liars, users and abusers, so get ready.
Now with AI Artificial intelligence, we are pushed to protect and reclaim this one and only lineage or Guru Shishya Parampara Sampradaya of Baul.
Babu Kishan aka Krishnendu's 4th book on Baul will be published later this year 2025 and all will be explained in detail, the fakery that has gone on, for fame, fundraising jackpots, awards, recording contracts, and traveling the world duping people.
Baul is indigenous and nobody outside the indigenous bubble should ever steal the intellectual property of an indigenous community, they have been marginalized and have had a very difficult time. The United Nations rights on indigenous people clearly states, on the indigenous people have a right to their own self-determination, not someone that is not even from Birbhum?
Baul is not easy, it takes a lot and one is born into a Baul family authentic lineage, not a made up lineage based one generation poet.
The first lie I present here is that Parvathy said, Baul is not from families it is by initiation.
#1. You are wrong Baul is indigenous, which is always from families go and study what an indigenous person is, you may have your own indigenous tribe in Assam.
I don't know if your wrong answers are intentional to include yourself or that you are just ignorant?
You are not a Baul, we know it, you know it, it is just that some government bodies don't know it yet, and westerners are easy to dupe, they do not know the language or what you singing, they don't know you poached songs from this lineage right off Babu Kishan's youtube channel.
Have either of you put in the study and time, no, you just read Babu Kishan being the only Baul attended the Ramakrishna Mission for 12 years being the first and last Baul to have deep roots in the Ramakrishna Mission, as his family fundraised for the Ramakrishna Mission for decades, however, you only fundraise for you fake lineage.
After seeing this past video I feel I have to qualify it and speak out to protect the names and people who are still practicing Baul and are from Baul indigenous to Baul.
Many people love Baul and many people are way more qualified that this character who is poaching bits and pieces of Baul off our blogs and websites. He is tied to Parvathy B?. I didn't want to mention her name, but she is duping so many people and the ones asking the question do not know, the ones listening do not know, so it is very easy to make people stupid as an actor Baul.
I have watched from a far and documented everything she has said and advertised since Baul hit the fb in 2008, not because I was interested the anylitics on his youtube went off the chart. Babu Kishan had created a bunch of Baul fusion videos on youtube on his youtube channel called the, The Bauls of Bengal, we saw the intellectual property theft right before our eyes are were puzzled who is that?
No problem, no big deal, but it was a big deal she took the song, re-recorded it and acted out Nabani Das Khyapa Baul style of dance and instruments with fake tears rolling down her eyes, her acting caught the attention of many, but the disturbing part was she wrote the poets name as Roshik when it was Nabani Das Khyapa Baul song that had already been recorded first on Hindustan Records.
Again, this is the character of someone who wants to be a Guru a Maa, this is not a Saint or a Baul Avadhut, character matters.
You may ask what intellectual property theft, we have the analytics,
Because of this pathetic display on this Video, 'Hidden Truths of Tantra and Baul Mysticism' and because I have critiqued many books and papers on Baul I feel I can no longer ignore this blatant display of ignorance. People do not think critically about any of this anymore. There are no hidden truths, and if their are Baul and Tantra is secret and only a shadow, has been revealed by Babu Kishan?
What game are you playing, you think talking about the shakti peeths in your neighbourhood qualify you to even talk about 'Baul and Tantra'. That history regarding Baul belongs to Nabani Das Khyapa Baul he was the last and only Baul Avadhuta.
Baul and Tantra has only ever been told by this lineage, everything in this video is cherry picked with loose associations, there is a real indigenous history of Baul and Tantra and this is not it.
In another video a few years earlier he displays his talents at poaching from many sources including from our intellectual property, reworking and cherry picking, stories about Nabani Das Khyapa Baul that only have been told by Babu Kishan, alluding to the fact he knows the Baul - Bob Dylan stories, my goodness it was so blatant and he was so excited and very proud of himself, again character always is important?
I have a timeline on all of this and documents including analytics of the poaching of LineageBaul.blogspot.com and our websites, mine in particular, so much so I took down the Baul pages on my website because I could see the poaching right before my eyes.
I first saw Rodham on Dr. Staneshwar Timalsina's fb page called 'Vimarsha Foundation', I was there to deepen my understanding of Kashmiri Shavism and have listened to and attended all his classes online. I am a perpetual student since 1974, a student of Baul, Tantra, Vedic Astrology, Ayurveda and Doaist Martial arts and Qigong including Buddhist Qigong, Health Qigong, Daoist Qigong and Tantric Qigong for decades.
Out of the blue at the beginning of his foundation, Rodham started to promote Parvathy Baul videos on Dr. Timalisina's fb Vimarsha foundation page? We were all there to listen to his lectures and support Dr. Sthaneshwar Timalsina. This was not a place to promote yourself, it was a teachings of the Vimarsha Foundation. I mean I could have posted promotional videos too, this is about manners and etiquette.
I was perplexed back then, because my husband Krishnendu Das Baul aka Babu Kishan has been instrumental over 60 of introducing Baul to all of Bengal, India and worldwide?
Rodham's intro in his video is arrogant acting like he is some accomplished Guru, perhaps even Ramakrishna himself. You would think he was a monk at the Ramakrishna mission for 12 years, oh but, no his daddy was into Ramakrishna, just as Parvathy qualifies as her mommy was into Ramakrishna?
Loose associations are made of everything this lineage has already lived and completed as part of Baul history. Baul History and her-story is never from outside of the one and only lineage of Baul. Babu Kishan first started to talk about LINEAGE long ago he named this blog lineage Baul and all of sudden everybody made up LINEAGEs that never existed before?
In one post 'that women' laid claim to be the first Women Baul to travel the world. We ignored it, not anymore, another lie seriously she must have thought nobody was watching. Manju Das who was Baul Samarat, Padma Shree Purna Das Bauls wife, was the first Women Baul to travel everywhere in the world teaching at Universities with her son Babu Kishan as she was educated and a master classical singer with many albums. She passed away in 2010 but traveled far and wide since the 1960's.
Manju was the first and last Baul women to create Baul her-story traveling the world. That legacy belongs to her not "that women' who merely rode on the coattails of this lineage and their history and her-story. That her-story belongs to Manju Das at least she was married to the Baul Samrat Purna Das Baul an indigenous Baul born in Ekachakra Birbhum W Bengal.
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